Dueling Carolinas: North Carolina vs. South Carolina As the Best Retirement State

Category: Best Retirement Towns and States

Editors Note: This is the third in our series comparing various states as places to retire. Don’t miss the first, Florida vs. Arizona Retirement, or the second, Delaware vs. Maryland vs. Virginia vs. New Jersey. There are more “Dueling” comparisons listed at the end of this article. We welcome ideas for future ones.

Updated April 5, 2015 — Both North and South Carolina enjoy a favorable image among baby boomers; in fact the Carolinas are a red-hot retirement destination. As great places to retire, both have become as popular as Florida. In this comparison we will evaluate various factors for both states that affect retirement, letting you draw your own conclusions from the facts. As always, reader input is extremely important, so we encourage you to use the Comments section below. (Note: The first version of this article was originally published in 2010; this edition contains numerous updates and revisions. Because it goes way back to 2010, there are a LOT of comments which are worth reading. The latest comments are at the bottom.)

Population (Data from American Fact Finder-U.S. Census Bureau).
One obvious difference between the two states is the number of people. In 2013 North Carolina’s population was about double its southern neighbor’s (9,848,060 vs. 4,774,839). The over 65 population in South Carolina was 14.2%, in North Carolina it was slightly lower at 12.9% (the national percentage was 13.4%). Both states attract significant numbers of retirees from beyond their own borders, usually from the Northeast or Midwest.

The Grand Strand in Myrtle Beach, SC

Home Prices and the Economy
One reason why the Carolinas are popular for so many retirements is a lower cost of living. Both states have significantly lower home prices than the Zillow 2015 Home Value Index for the entire U.S. of $178,700. Using that same source, South Carolina’s median home value was $134,700, $12,000 lower than North Carolina’s ($146,700). Note that the Zillow estimates are low compared to those from the National Association of Realtors, which showed a U.S. median home price of $208,700 at the end of 2014.

Home prices in some North Carolina Metros bear out these differences: the Durham median home selling price at the end of 2014 was $205,200; in Charlotte it was $192,800, and in Raleigh it was $213,200 (per NAR). Meanwhile in South Carolina, the Greenville median was $166,000, Spartanburg was $130,900, but in pricier Charleston the median was $215,500.

Beautiful Charleston, SC

The economies of both states are very similar. Manufacturing, services, and agriculture are important in both. The 2013 median HH income in North Carolina was $46,334, slightly higher than South Carolina’s $44,779. By comparison the national household income median was $50,046. South Carolina’s cost of living is the 21st lowest in the U.S. while North Carolina’s is very similar at 23rd. According to the Census Bureau both states had some of the highest unemployment rates in the nation in 2013 – 11.4% for South Carolina and 11.1% for North Carolina (people over 16 years of age).

There are no significant climate differences between these 2 states. The most northern parts of North Carolina will have slightly colder winters than the most southerly part of SC, but the difference will only be a few degrees. What differences there are mostly stem from the varying climates present within each as they go east to west – from beach to mountains. Here are a few representative temperatures for cities within these states:

City(State) Avg July High Avg Jan Low
Asheville (NC) 84 27 (West)
Charlotte(NC) 90 32 (Central)
Wilmington (NC) 90 36 (East)
Greenville (SC) 89 31 (West)
Columbia (SC) 95 36 (Central)
Charleston (SC) 89 42 (East)

Tax Environment
Many retirees look to tax comparisons to help determine what they view as a retirement friendly state. Up until last year South Carolina would undoubtedly win that comparison – it had lower taxes in almost every category. However, beginning in 2014 comparing taxes between the two states is much harder, and the bottom line difference is probably not that great. According to the Tax Foundation, SC had the 42nd highest tax burden in the nation in 2012, whereas NC’s was 20th. However due to the dramatic changes in NC’s tax structure in 2014, those rankings will probably get closer.

To make a few observations, we would start by saying that the individual characteristics of your tax situation have so many ramifications that you should have someone prepare a hypothetical tax statement for you to get the real picture. But here are some things to consider:
– SC has a much higher marginal tax rate, although it also has higher exemptions
– Neither state taxes Social Security
– The sales tax in NC is 1.25% lower than in SC
– Neither state has an inheritance or estate tax
– NC has higher property taxes as a % of home value. But it also has a nice “circuit breaker” program for people over 65

Income Taxes
South Carolina has a (very high) maximum tax rate of 7% that begins at a quite low income of $14,400. South Carolina accepts the adjustments, exemptions and deductions allowed on your federal tax return. North Carolina’s income tax is much lower, as it was recently lowered to a flat 5.75%.

Social Security and Income Tax Exemptions for Seniors
Neither state taxes Social Security payments.

Although South Carolina has much higher tax rates, its high exemption levels are more tax-friendly. Each resident over 65 is entitled to an exemption of $15,000 ($30,000 for couples) in calculating income for state tax purposes, of which up to $10,000 each can be retirement income. For couples filing jointly when both are 65 or older you might not need to file a SC tax return unless your gross income is greater than the federal gross income filing requirement plus $30,000.

Classic Pinehurst, NC, a golfing shrine

There is a $7500 exemption per person in NC (no age limit). When North Carolina reduced its state income tax rates starting with 2014 some seniors’ deductions were eliminated. Social Security is still exempt, as is NC pension income under the Bailey Settlement if you had 5 years of service by 1989. Otherwise federal, state, and local pensions are exempt up to $4000 per person, $2000 for private exemptions. The somewhat confusing pension exemption rules are located on this NC Retiree Tax Guide.

Sales Taxes
The northern Carolina wins in the sales tax competition. In SC the sales tax is 6% and in NC it is 4.75%. Both states permit localities to add on to that tax.

Estate and Inheritance Taxes
There are no estate or inheritance taxes in South Carolina or North Carolina (NC repealed its estate tax in 2013).

Property Tax
SC residents pay one of the lowest property taxes as a % of home value (ranked 46th) in the country. NC is ranked 33rd. SC residents pay .57% of their home value, compared to .85% in North Carolina (figures from the Tax Foundation). Homeowners in SC over 65 can usually deduct $50,000 of valuation on their property taxes. In NC there is a property tax homestead exemption for people over 65 who meet certain income criteria, as well as a circuit breaker program for eligible people over 65 which limits property taxes to 4 or 5% of your income.

Note: Taxes are complicated and the laws change quickly. Consult state Department of Revenue Guides and/or your tax professional before making important decisions. This brief overview is not meant to give any advice.

Physical Environment and Diversity
As with population, North Carolina also has a much bigger geographical area – 54,000 square miles as compared to SC’s 32,000 miles. Both have a long coast line with beautiful beaches and/or waterfront on large bays. The Cape Hatteras region of NC is quite remarkable, as is Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head in SC. North Carolina has a larger and more pronounced western mountain area with four seasons and the Blue Ridge, Great Smoky, and Black Mountain ranges. The highest point in NC (and the eastern U.S.) is Mt. Mitchell at 6,684 ft.; Sassafras Mountain is SC’s highest peak at 3,560 ft.

Places to Live and Retirement Popularity
Both states have several important cities and numerous interesting mid-sized cities. Both states have college towns, such as Chapel Hill and Durham in NC and Clemson in South Carolina. Both Carolinas have a strong representation of towns on Topretirements’ list of 100 Best Retirement Towns: NC has 11 on that list and SC has 10. South Carolina has 4 cities in our top 20, whereas NC has only 2 (perennial #1 Asheville (NC) and #16 New Bern. South Carolina’s most popular places to retire include #4 Beaufort, #6 Charleston, #7 Myrtle Beach, #15 Bluffton, and #20 Summerville. Here is the full list of our most popular 100 best retirement towns.

Charlotte, NC

Choice of Active Communities
North Carolina and South Carolina are both loaded with active adult communities. At Topretirements we count 178 communities in our North Carolina Directory of Active Communities and 154 in the South Carolina Directory of Active Communities. Whereas the active communities in NC are dispersed throughout the state in areas like Asheville, New Bern, Charlotte, and the Research Triangle area; South Carolina’s are clustered mostly along the coast, from Myrtle Beach to Charleston. In both states the choices are many and varied, with many of them relatively new.

The bottom line
North Carolina and South Carolina share numerous similarities in addition to a similar climate and topography. Indeed, many retirees say they are contemplating moving to the “Carolinas” for retirement, and don’t often specify one of the states.

Looking for differences, we could generalize and say North Carolina is a bit more diverse. It has more large cities to choose from, such as Charlotte or Winston-Salem. NC has taller mountains and more towns in mountainous areas, if that is what you are looking for. South Carolina might have the most interesting city, Charleston. NC is more diverse politically, with its cities, particularly those in the Research Triangle, tending to be progressive. Its rural areas are more conservative. North Carolina has made recent strides in getting to more a tax friendly par with South Carolina. South Carolina, which tends to be quite conservative, is probably less of a melting pot than its northern cousin, and more of a “southern” state. While North Carolina recently became much tax friendlier, many liberal leaning residents are not happy with the attendant cuts to social services, education, and other programs.

So which state is more popular? Regardless of which state wins the retirement sweepstakes, both are doing very well. A Del Webb study a few years ago found that the Carolinas had become a more popular retirement destination than Florida. At Topretirements our South Carolina retirement guide is visited slightly more than is our NC retirement guide (in fact they are the #2 and #3 most popular state guides after Florida). The differences between the Carolinas are subtle. Both contain some wonderful places to retire, if the mid-Atlantic region is the region where you would like to retire. Rather than take sides on the issue, we recommend that you visit cities and towns in both states and see if you can’t find the place of your dreams. Fortunately, the two states are contiguous- in a few trips you should be able to get a good idea of the places that could offer you a happy retirement experience.

Sources: In most cases we used Tax-rates.org. as the source for tax information in this article, American Fact Finder for demographic information, and Zillow or the NAR for home pricing. Some additional tax burden figures are courtesy of the Tax Foundation.

For for further reading:
My Southern Retirement Adventure
State Retirement Guides
Gulf Coast Retirement: Sun, Tax-friendly, and a Lower Coast of Living
Retirement 101 Mid-Atlantic States: MD, DE, VA, NJ
Florida Retirement 101
Dueling Carolinas: NC vs. SC
Dueling States: Arizona vs. Florida
California Retirement 101
Retirement in the Southwest: AZ, NM, and Utah
The Mountain States: CO, ID, MT, NV, UT, WY
The Pacific Northwest: Oregon vs. Washington

What state do you prefer? Let us know in the Comments section below. (Note: This article has been updated numerous times and has many interesting comments. To find the most recent ones scroll down and look by date).

Posted by John Brady on November 15th, 2010


  1. I lived in SC for 35 years, leaving in 2003. Lovely state, lot of nice folks. The political atmosphere is so conservative, however, and I began to feel isolated. Retirees from Northeast or Midwest may feel a bit out of place politically. If you like right-wing Republicans, however, this will be a very pleasing state in which to retire. I don’t mean to start any political arguments, and there’s much to like in SC. In my brief experience there, however, NC is a more “progressive” state, in general. I enjoyed reading the comparison above, which I think for the most part is quite accurate (though Sumter, SC is not really a college town).

    by Bill S. — November 17, 2010

  2. Just for the record, the sales tax in both Myrtle Beach and North Myrtle Beach, SC is 9% not 6%. North Myrtle Beach would like to raise their sales tax to 10%. Some alcoholic drinks purchased in restaurants in the Myrtle Beach area can be taxed up to 16.5% so research the areas carefully before packing your bags. Also, be aware that you must establish residency in South Carolina before you can take advantage of the $50,000 property tax deduction on your home at age 65 or older. If you are a non-resident you will be taxed at 6% plus a higher millage rate than a resident’s 4% and lower millage rate. For example, one of our friends in North Myrtle Beach is paying around $780/yr in property tax for a 1B/1B condo because he is a non-resident. The same condo for an under 65 resident would be about $250 and for a resident 65 or older it would be around $45. The reduction in property taxes is beneficial but groceries are on the expensive side so I can’t stress enough to research any area thoroughly and weigh all pros and cons. You can get a sales tax table on every city or town in SC by going to the State of South Carolina’s web site. Oh and car insurance in SC may be quite a bit more than what you are used to paying so factor that in also.

    by Katherine Cairrao — November 17, 2010

  3. 😳 NC only waives taxes on the first $4,000 of MILITARY retirement income

    by john stevens — November 17, 2010

  4. Right wing conservative state? I’m going to SC…beats this hell of a state (CT) that I’m in now!!

    by PJDroney — November 17, 2010

  5. 🙄 Been a resident of Charlotte, NC since early 80s and we are looking seriously at SC for retirement. Mecklenburg County has one of the highest overall tax bites in the country. Between sales tax (at 8+% depending on what you buy), real estate (which will be going up AGAIN!), property tax, car rental taxes, hotel taxes and, of course, income tax (which cuts no breaks on pension income) it just seems like everyone has a hand in your purse! Add to that the escalating housing costs (even in this economy). We are definitely looking at SC due to overall lower taxes (stay away from the beach) and property values. Plus if you are a beach person but can’t afford to live there year round, SC offers easier beach access highways from places like Summerville and Columbia. We can’t wait until going to Charleston and North Myrtle is not such a long drive.

    by Genie — November 18, 2010

  6. South Carolina hands down!! Specfically Sun City Hilton Head. Low taxes, great weather, proximity to the beach, to Savannah, to Charleston and to Florida for a quick weekend getaway. Moved here close to 3 years ago and can’t believe that I live in such a beautiful place.

    by Margaret Fallon — November 21, 2010

  7. […] not too cold. Home prices are well below the national average. (See our recent article comparing NC and SC for retirement). SC is on our list of “best” places to retire. 5. Maryland – Yes, MD is a high tax state and […]

    by » No Go: A Worst Places to Retire List We Don’t Agree With Topretirements — November 23, 2010

  8. We live in the Winston-Salem area in a golf community. Love W-S…very comfortable town that is easy to get around and has great medical services and an excellent arts community. Climate is more moderate being in the Piedmont of the state…a little snow in the winter, and usually a limited number of really hot days in the summer (although 2010 was an exception). W-S is also a college town with Wake Forest. Less than 2 hours to mountains and about 3-1/2 to the beach. Sure there are places with more upscale restaurants and shops, but if you a looking for a comfortable place to live W-S is pretty good.

    Have spend significant time at Hilton Head and the traffic on the Island has become a zoo…278 is ridiculous most times of the day and the summer really stinks with traffic. If you live in a plantation and don’t have to go out on 278, it is OK except for the no-seeum’s that will chew on you. Greenville area of SC is very nice, but Columbia is way too hot and humid.

    by Zebhead — December 10, 2010

  9. I was born in New Jersey and moved to Florida,after Hurricane Francis and seeing the financial opportunity of selling my home in Central Florida for a nice amount I left for the Greenville area of the upstate in S.C.,just under the snow belt,been here 5 years and do not regret it,long springs and long falls, good seasonal changes and great people.Good family area.I also have now a cabin in the Bryson city area of N.C.and love the Smokies and the outdoor life style.only difference I see right now is SC is more right and NC more left,but who cares to each his own.I am quite happy here and content.Try the shrimp and grits and love the barby.

    by Joseph DePeri — December 19, 2010

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  11. I totally agree with Bill S. SC, although a lovely state, is quite conservative in its governance, taxing policies, and attitudes towards education. We’ve enjoyed our almost 20 years in the Piedmont of SC, but are retiring in Asheville, NC.

    by Lisa — March 27, 2011

  12. Hay john stevens,
    You have that tax stuff all wrong about military retirement taxes and etc. Any Federal retirement income such as military, civil service is not taxed by NC. What is taxed is the retirement incomes from another state, and then the first
    $4,000 of that retirement income is waved. After the first $4,000 then it becomes taxable. I know I am a military retiree..

    by Bill — April 10, 2011

  13. thanks for all the great comments..one thing I notice in all ‘summaries’ about where individuals reside is that ..’there is no mention of available health care..doctors/hospitals/day to day visits…etc….We believe this is on top of our list fo where to retire …especially, as we age..
    when we visit areas we always visit some medical facilities…and explore how to get traeatments ,,like ‘urgent care’.
    a good experience to share would be when on a trip to North Charleston..I visited the VA Hospital (a 35 year veteran ) and was told that once on Medicare I was no longer eligable to be treated at the hospital..
    we went to a VA Clinic and it was very depressing…just a crowded room with folding chairs…loaded with patients on long waits?….
    while there I met some individuals and asked some questions about another subject thatis rarely discussed by residents in this forum…that being “crime” and was shocked to find that North Charleston was NUMBER ONE in violent crime in the USA…
    so just wanted to share our comments and thanks for all who do…Bob and Chris in New York (presently) and still looking…

    by Robert K — April 13, 2011

  14. I was looking at homes on James Island in SC. I thought it was a wonderful location right outside of Charleston. If anyone has information that would be helpful to consider when making a final decision, please send it along.

    by Johanna Hopkins — May 12, 2011

  15. Johanna, I know a couple that has a home on the water–the Stono River (intercostal waterway) golf community. It isn’t listed yet. Would you be interested??

    by Linda Hyers — May 13, 2011

  16. Not at this time, thank you.

    by Johanna — May 15, 2011

  17. We’re looking to retire in Henderson, NV. Would greatly appreciate any comments/suggestions pro and con as to the retirement communities there. Thanks.

    by Angela — May 16, 2011

  18. Angela:
    I wish I had used my own advice prior to moving so I thought I would share a few suggestions:
    Have you thought about renting in the area first? I’m sure you would be able to find a short term unit. This way you could actually live in the area without moving and commiting to a house to later find out this isn’t the area for you.
    If you get a long term opportunity to visit, plan it during the hottest months. If you can tolerate the desert heat the rest of the year will be a breeze.
    I love a light and bright home, but we have found that in the desert you have to have blinds and curtains pulled because the sun coming in with the AC on is counterproductive. I didn’t like the house so dark all day long in the summer and couldn’t wait until we no longer needed AC and could have the sun flowing in again. Just a thought!
    Look at the shopping in the area. Is the supermarket 20 miles away or just a mile. Are your only stores Walmart and Target (which I love) but sometimes you need to window shop at a mall.
    If you live in a regular community are your neighbors all younger and always at work. This can be very lonely during the week when no one is around. Especially if you’re used to working and having people around you all the time.
    By living in the area as a test you can also take your time to really investigate the communites that you might be interested in. When you look at houses with a realtor you usually don’t walk the street or the community. Look at the houses around the one your viewing. Do they keep them up, is the area well maintained. Do you see any life in the neighborhood or does everyone stay inside. Visit the area several different times of day to see what the traffic is like.
    Moving cold turkey to a new state is exciting, new beginnings. But, it can also be very lonely during the curve of acquiring new friends.
    I wish you well. I hope I haven’t gone on and on.

    by Anne — May 17, 2011

  19. Anne, your advice is thoughtful and sage. I’ve had friends who bought in a mobile home park without once looking beyond the amenities in the model home. They found out too late that their environment extended beyond their four walls. It happened that the demographics were incompatible with their age and interests, a particularly crucial matter when units are cheek to jowl (mobile estate, apartment house). You haven’t “gone on and on” … you’ve supplied a reality-based checklist that every would-be relocator would be well advised to read.

    by Robert — May 17, 2011

  20. I am interested in information on Nevada as well. I’m more interested in the Northern part of the State. I want to rent rather than buy. I haven’t found any retirement communities that rent as yet. I will keep looking.

    by Ginger — May 17, 2011

  21. Ann, thank you for your comments. Your suggestions will very helpful. Appreciate it And, no you have not gone on and on. People’s experiences are beneficial to those who are looking to retire.

    by Angela — May 18, 2011

  22. I highly recommend Mt. Pleasant, SC, a suburb of Charleston, which is the garden spot of the Carolinas if you like close proximity to beaches (only a few miles from Isle of Palms). It has great shopping, restaurants, medical, and low crime. Also very convenient to downtown Charleston. Weather is great except for hot and very humid summers. Only other negative is traffic in summer beach season but locals find ways around that.

    by John — October 21, 2011

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  24. Ann,
    You are spot on! I have retired and am in the process of relocating. I have chosen a place that refelects my interests: horseback riding, animals, the great outdoors. Still, I wanted to make sure it was right for me. So, I am renting a home for a year. Already, I have discovered all kinds of everyday things about the area. So far, it has been a wonderful experience, and I probably will stay here. Do your homework on any place your looking to retire and absolutely live there for at least 6 mos. before you make that life changing move. it will pay off in the end.

    by Liz Morgan — December 28, 2011

  25. Just one clarification on taxing pensions in NC. All federal pensions are exempt and fall under the Bailey exclusion PROVIDED the retiree had a minimum of 5 years of federal service prior to August 12, 1989.

    Editor’s note: You are correct and thanks for the clarification. We have changed the article to reflect that.

    by Chuck — February 2, 2012

  26. If you’re from Michigan, housing is much higher in both Carolinas. I’ve also noticed that food is about 30% higher than in Michigan. Fuel oil prices are similar but gasoline is higher by several cents per gallon. On the plus side you probably won’t use as much to heat your house.

    by Fred — February 2, 2012

  27. Fred,
    What is the difference in taxes between the Carolinas and Michigan?
    High real estate tax rates increase the ongoing cost of property, not to mention the other costs of a climate of 11 months of winter and four weeks of bad ice fishing.

    by Sandie Warwick — February 3, 2012

  28. I’ve lived in NC for 50 years now (military brat) and retired near Chapel Hill in the central part of the state. This article is excellent on all counts — I can’t stress enough the diversity available in these two states. But Bill S. makes an excellent point that I was going to state — SC extremely conservative and NC much more progressive (yet also somewhat conservative except less so in the population centers). As a whole, NC has much more variety and offers more cosmopolitan options.

    by Rich Beaudry — February 3, 2012

  29. Rich,
    My husband and I are thinking about retiring in NC and we are quite interested in Heritage Wake Forest community. If you happen to know anything about that community, we’d appreciate your comments.

    by Soon-ok — February 4, 2012

  30. We were pretty settled on returning to Florida for retirement but after reading about the possibilities which the Carolinas offer for retirees, we are definitely going to check it out….your comments re renting are excellent and very smart. Thank you for all the information!

    by Carol D. — February 5, 2012

  31. Okay, we have decided to rent first. Does anyone know of a good apartment complex…in the Myrtle Beach-Conway area or even Beaufort area?? Please pass along the info. It is my husband and myself, plus our daughter will be coming home for Christmas and summers (she is a college student). Thanks

    by diandto — February 6, 2012

  32. WE have recently moved to Rock Hill, SC and have the best of both Carolinas. Charlotte is 15 minutes up I-77 so we get the advantage of the bigger city amenities but the taxation of SC. Taxes here are about 1/2 of Charlotte, gas prices are .30/ gal less, sales tax is less and access to great medical centers. I love living here. We first retired east of Knoxville and hated it but this has been a great move for us. There are many communities like Rock Hill that are close to Charlotte but in SC, and Charleston, Savannah, Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head are only about 3 1/2 hours, a nice drive for a get a way. There is a Del Webb community outside of this area in Indian Land, a quick developing area. As far as the politics I have not found that to be an issue in this area. One other thing is that I have found certain areas are not as welcoming to outsiders, but I have not found that to be true in this area.

    by Peggy — February 6, 2012

  33. I am contemplating buying a home in Sebring, Florida. I have visited there and read a great deal about it but would also like to hear from anyone with comments about the area. Thank you!

    by Karen — February 6, 2012

  34. Does anyone have personal information about New Hampshire as a retirement state? I understand that NH is one of the best states to retire in regarding taxes.

    by Karl Ronn — February 6, 2012

  35. Peggy – what didn’t you like about the Knoxville area? Where are you originally from? We are from New England, I’ve been to Knoxville briefly to visit a friend but didn’t really explore. Our sights were originally set on the Carolina’s – more SC due to it being more tax friendly.

    by Linda — February 7, 2012

  36. Karl – we lived in NH for many years – I for about 16 years. NH has no income tax and no sales tax, but very high property taxes. It depends on what you are looking for. I, personally, don’t like the winter’s and we moved to CT – a VERY expensive state which has clearly gotten worse over the years – #1 worst state to retire to. NH is beautiful, and is steadily growing. Many areas considered the ‘sticks’ without the conveniences, now have the bigger stores. I didn’t like having to spend a full day to go someplace to go shopping, but for other’s they may prefer it. Real estate can be expensive, but like any other state, depends on where in the state you wish to be. The same can be said with services provided – depends on the size of the Town/city. Manchester has grown incredibly since I lived there – but would recommend staying away from Rt. 3 – major route between Mass and NH. Haven’t lived there since 1997, so I’m sure there are other’s who can provide more recent input.

    by Linda — February 7, 2012

  37. Live in NH and looking to retire in the Carolinas. As said no income or sales taxes in NH but very high property taxes. Also utility costs especially electric some of the highest in the country. NH is beautiful but winters are long and cold and can be a lot of snow. Great healthcare and good shopping and restaurants but cost of living in general I think is high.

    by Bill — February 7, 2012

  38. We lived in NH during the 80’s, often think of moving back BUT – the real estate taxes were very high. The snow was deeper than any other place we lived
    We moved to CT, then WI and now IL, still have very high real estate taxes. Don’t know where we will go next or to stay here.

    by Beverly Johnson — February 7, 2012

  39. Hi Linda/Bill/Beverly, thanks so much for your valuable input! Did you folks find that the tax breaks off set the high property tax? I hear you on the weather living here in VT but my wife needs to stay close to relatives. Any town in NH that might be more forgiving regarding property taxes?

    by Karl Ronn — February 7, 2012

  40. Karl – If I were to compare it to where I’m living now..absolutely…since we have high property, high income, AND the sales tax!
    A good site for research:
    It will basically depend on the town/cities services provided in relation to the property assessments/mill rate. They tend to go hand in hand.
    I personally wouldn’t move back to NH because I don’t care for the long cold winter’s..and as mentioned, several homes heat with electric. I think many of those same houses supplement with wood or pellet stoves now.
    Where we are in CT is warmer with shorter winters, and since I’m used to the high cost of living here, and the services are great we may stay. If we were to move, it’d probably be to the Carolina’s. I’ve traveled a lot for work to the Raleigh area and already know several folks in that area which makes it easier. Time will tell, and it’s best to rent and experience the area and do the research on the property taxes and services for yourself before making a the final decision.

    by Linda — February 7, 2012

  41. I thank you so much Linda for your comments and suggestions, very helpful. So, does anyone out there really know what would be the most tax friendly state to stretch your income dollars, not get killed on property taxes, and a safe place to live? A tall order I know.

    by Karl Ronn — February 8, 2012

  42. I can’t wait to move to SC! I live in Minnesota and EVERYTHING costs more here.I have decided on the Easley/Pickens area upstate.This move is the only way I will be able to retire. So as soon as my house here is sold I am on my way.

    by cindy — February 8, 2012

  43. I am very interested in the Carolina’s for retirement. I cant decide which state I like best. The advice to rent first seems very sound. My problem is we have a lot of pets. I notice every rental community I checked limits pets to two. Does anyone know if the decent quality rental communities will allow three cats? Some of those retirement communities look very nice, but our attachment to our pets just might limit our options, I fear.

    by Kitty — February 10, 2012

  44. Kitty, I sympathize with your situation (and your name is perfect!)and most doctors would tell you that contact with pets makes for a longer happier life. I might suggest a website called VRBO which stands for Vacation Rentals by Owner. Perhaps if you rented a house for a couple months in each location you might get a better feel for the communities. Also longer stays might lower the price since the owners have a committed renter for a longer time. We are in a similar position! Good luck.

    by cherie morris — February 11, 2012

  45. Note: This comment had so much useful detail in it that we edited it and created a totally new article from it. You can see it at “One Year Later: Artie’s Observations about Moving to the Carolinas“.

    I can’t speak specifically to the advantages of disadvantages of having chosen NC over SC. I’m sure my wife and I could have been happy in any number of places in either state. Considereing I thought I was moving to Florida (e.g. Jupiter), but here I am, remarkably in Cary, NC.

    A word about renting. My wife and I considered doing this. In theory it sounds great and the most prudent thing to do. However, in reality, it can be a sizable added expense and will usually entail a second physical move. And, as most (if not all) people will tell you moving is NOT fun.

    To the person above who was interested in Wake Forest, NC. It is a lovely community. If we didn’t choose to move to Cary, we would have moved to Heritage Wake Forest.

    Anyway, here is what I reported to friends back in NY after the one year aniversary of our move. It may be a bit long winded and not always all that interesting in which case, I apologize. Some may find parts of it useful, as an example.

    This past August has been our one year anniversary since we moved to our new home at the Carolina Preserve (CP) in Cary (aka Containment Area for Relocated Yankees) NC, The year has gone by quickly. We continue to be very happy with our decision to move here. We are continuing to find it just calmer, in many ways nicer and simply a less stressful and easier way of life compared to Long Island. Of course, no longer choosing to work… or worse,…having to work at a distasteful and unrewarding job, goes a long way in improving one’s mental outlook. However, add to this, the peace of mind that comes with getting away from from all the traffic congestion, higher costs, (especially RE taxes) and additional stresses that have come to characterize living in much of the metro NY area. We both feel very fortunate. That said, Long Island (after over 55 years) will always be considered our home. And, while there are always going to be some things we miss, we honestly don’t miss many of those things all that much. Remarkably, there is life beyond Long Island and NY.

    In spite of the continuing bi-polar ups and downs of the stock market and the continuing economic malaise affecting this country, the Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill “Triangle” still appears to have a lot of activity going on. It’s not that this area is unaffected by what is happening in the rest of the country, (unemployment is an issue here, too), it just seems where we are in Cary (the middle of the “Triangle”) to be a bit less noticeable. There is still a lot of new road construction and housing development going on. I just read recently that there has been an uptick in home sales as well, which, if true, is a plus. Obviously, this area is continuing to grow and spread out in all directions. There seems to be more new stuff coming into the area all the time, whether it’s a new shopping center or a new restaurant opening up.

    The migration to this part of NC, seems to still be coming largely from the Northeast.Personally, I view this as a “plus.” We NY’ers are used to a certain life style and level of amenities. I would say this is attributable to a variety of things including perhaps some good press, the diversity of activities the area has to offer and generally to the milder and overall nicer weather. The area is certainly not only attracting retirees. In this respect, this isn’t like many parts of Florida. We happened to choose to move to an over 55 “active adult” community for a variety of reasons (e.g. amount of amenities, activities, ease of meeting other people in similar circumstances (meaning mostly retired), low home maintenance, etc. Our community at the CP is unique right now in this area but other similare communities are in the works. By and large though, there are more young working families with children living and moving into this area and to nearby towns and communities. For young people with families, this area, has to offer a calmer, easier and more affordable life-style when compared to the NY metro area and Long Island. I actually understand there is a need for school teachers down here because of the increasing number of school aged children. Your housing dollar certainly goes much farther considering what you can buy down here vs. Long Island. And, RE taxes although considered high (in Cary) for NC are still about 25% of what mine were in Westbury, NY, and I have a nicer, newer, and larger house here. This part of NC is actually a very pretty part of the country. I keep telling people that it’s not unlike some of the north shore and east end areas of Long Island only with nicer year round weather, bigger trees, lakes, parks and more open space. The only downside to me is that the nearest ocean beaches are 2 hours away. While somewhat inconvenient, this isn’t terrible. We also have the mountains of Asheville about 4 hours to the West. There is considerably more open green space and rural (farm) areas. The roads and highways are a pleasure to drive compared to Long Island.

    Research Triangle Park along with it’s high tech corporations including computer and software companies, medical related businesses, bio-tech companies and Federal agencies is the primary hub and economic driver for many of the larger employers in the region. However, there are also all the colleges and universities, large medical institutions and research facilities, as well. Lastly, with Raleigh being the state capital, you have a lot of state jobs.

    We also covered a lot of ground this year traveling and taking advantage of the activities and places to go in our adopted state.

    Locally in NC:

    Outer Banks
    Bald Head Island

    There are many concert and theater venues in the Triangle Area…some of the concerts and shows we attended so far include:

    John Mellencamp – Durham Performing Arts Center (DPAC)
    Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers w/ ZZ Top (Time Warner’s Walnut Creek Raleigh)
    Jimmy Buffet (Time Warner – Walnut Creek)
    Huey Lewis & The News – Koka Booth Amphitheater, Cary, NC
    Music of Paul McCartney – Members of Beatle Mania along with Raleigh Symphony Orchestra – Koka Booth Amphitheater
    Music of Queen – 5 Member professional rock band along with Raleigh Symphony Orchestra – Progress Energy Center, Raleigh
    Cirque du Soleil – RBC Sports Center – Raleigh
    In the Hood – B’way Show – DPAC
    Billy Elliot – B’way Show – DPAC
    Yes – DPAC
    Rock of Ages – B’way Show – DPAC
    Aretha Franklin- DPAC
    Paul Simon – DPAC
    American Idiot – Prgress Energy Center, Raleigh

    My wife and I have our separate and joint activities. Among these include a variety conducted at Bradford Hall which is the Carolina Preserve’s club house and “centerpiece.” This is the 35,000 square foot facility which has a well equipped gym and both indoor and outdoor pools, bocce, pool tables, ping pong, tennis courts, exercise classes, etc. Various classes and clubs meet here all week long. Whatever your interests are, whether its golf, photography, poker (and other card games), the stock market, sporting events, yoga, crafts, wine, writing, photography, bowling biking, tennis, ping pong, swimming, exercise and dance classes you’ll find it here. If I want to hang out and see some younger people for a change and get tired of seeing fat ‘ole Ms. Fogolotz at the CP “senior” pool, we also have the use of the Amberly facilities, including another pool complex and gym (Amberly being a mixed age community), across the street. There are at least 100 activities and clubs. This is why I’ve said to a few of you, who feel compelled to tell me I have too much time on my hands, you can be as busy or not busy as you want to be.

    My wife keeps up with her personal training and enjoys hiking at one of the nearby parks quite a bit. She recently got her NC licensing requirements out of the way if she decides to use her LMT license (part-time). We both have become bowlers and enjoy biking from time to time. We have some great bike paths including the 26 mile American Tobacco bike trail. I’m continually trying to get back on track and get to the gym more frequently as I’ve run out of excuses. Over the last several months, I finally found some like-minded musicians to continue my illustrious rock n’ roll career at 61. With the arrival of the cooler weather (summer was HOT), I’m still planning to join all the golfers soon. However, getting this music project going has been my primary focus. And, of course, my two boys Tyler (Bichon) and Benny (Maltese/Shih-tsu) keep us entertained.

    We continue to explore and check out new things whether that be a new restaurant, shopping or entertainment venue. More importantly, everyone right now is healthy and doing well. So, all things considered we are most thankful for that. Even though it has always been my nature to be cynical and negative, as I have one of those “glass half-empty” personalities, remarkably, I’ve been complaining a lot less. It’s not that I’ve given up complaining, I just don’t find as many reasons to do so. Most of the more egregious reasons for my complaining have been removed. Also, my wife, thankfully, has continued to be the optimist and has always been more upbeat about most things. At times, I find myself having to tell her to “dial it down” a notch. I will say she is exceptionally happy to be living down here and tends to get overly enthusiastic and carried away at times when telling others about how great her new southern life-style is. Consequently, I’ve started to refer to our NC home as “Polyannaville.” In any event, considering some of the hardship stories and health issues I’ve heard about from friends back “North,” and, in consideration of what has been going on in this country and around the world, I should be dancing doing “jazz hands.”

    by Artie — February 11, 2012

  46. Thanks, Artie, for your entertaining as well as illuminating comments! We are making our first foray into NC in May by attending a workshop at U of NC at Asheville called Creative Retirement Exploration Weekend. We plan to make a trip over to the area around Charlotte and RDU so we’ll check out Cary. Not quite sure how I feel about the over 55 communities but you make a good argument in their favor!

    by cherie — February 11, 2012

  47. Cherie,
    I tried finding the course you are attending at UNC, and could not find it. Can you provide any info on where to find out more about it? We will be in the area in late May and this might be something we would like to attend.

    by Bill Yoder — February 12, 2012

  48. Interesting information. Thanks for the heads up…..and for those that need the link it’s: http://ncccr.unca.edu/creative-retirement-exploration-weekend

    by Victoria — February 12, 2012

  49. Maybe we’ll see you all there! We’ll be the extremely good-looking ones! (with the strange senses of humor)

    by cherie — February 13, 2012


    by LOU — February 13, 2012

  51. Artie,
    Thank you for your very interesting information about NC and Cary. We are native North Carolians and really love it. However, after living in Charlotte for forty six years we felt we needed a change for many reasons. It is a lovely city but has changed over the years into a more urban area and with that brings much more traffic and congestion. Colder weather in winter for the past years ( with the exception of this year) has been a factor. Also,senior activities are not that plentiful unless you live in a 55 community. Developers are working on that and it will be better in the years to come. However, we are already in the retirement years and find we need services now rather than waiting for them to come. We were downsizing from a larger home and looked for a smaller home only to find they are so far away from the city. We do not want to be isolated in a surburan neighborhood and after careful research we decided we needed to look elsewhere. We do know both states and have traveled around looking. We have gone to Florida and have a home there but have decided we do not want to live there year round and want to have just one home. We are planning to come to Cary in May to explore. We have looked at CP and know the Del Webb in SC. We liked the layout of SC but not the location. Services are not there yet and again we do not want to wait for them to come. They have been planned but the economic situation has halted the progress. We have children and grands in the Triangle area and feel it may work for us.The medical is great. However, I am wondering if you or anyone else know anything about the Pinehurst area? It is about an hour away from Raleigh and a quieter lifestyle. It seems charming but do not know the negatives. Does anyone know anything about it or has anyone lived there? My husband is older and we really need to get settled. We thought florida was it and we love the weather but it is not a fit. Thank you all for your help.
    Linda L.

    by Linda L — March 26, 2012

  52. We are close to buying a place around the Sarasota area but is the weather really way too hot to live on the West Coast. I don’t want to be confined inside for 5 months of the year. Any helpful suggestions or a better place to look that is not as humid in hot on the West Coast would be appreciated. Thanks.

    by MKB — March 27, 2012

  53. MKB, My brother & niece live in the Sarasota area. We go to visit now & then. I think it’s hotter than the east coast of Fl where I live, but I am walking distance from the ocean & my brother is more inland. Sarasota seems to have so much more traffic than we do as well. Yet it is a pretty place & people are friendly enough. Anywhere in FL you will have humidity & heat, but the closer to water you are usually is about 10 degrees cooler. But then you have to be aware of hurricanes if on the coast. At least you know they are coming and can prepare & evacuate where as with tornadoes you usually don’t have much chance to get to safety.

    by Lacy — March 27, 2012

  54. Wilmington NC. I lived in Wilmington NC. I was still working and moved there for a job. I did not find the people very friendly. If you find a niche group with like-minded people, it has nice weather and great water access with Wrightsville Beach, Carolina Beach, etc. The city itself has an interesting history and the Cape Fear River area has fun, free events

    I think if you move to an active adult community, you might find it more friendly. Retired executive tend to stick together in gated communities (not necessarily active adult) and seem very happy. I do not have experience with any of the active adult communities.

    But the retired folks that I met eventually moved with one exception (who had relatives there before they retired).

    by Lane — June 4, 2012

  55. Hey Folks,

    Can anyone tell me about retirement in Georgia by the coast? There does not seem to be any resonable priced retirement communities. Looking in the low $100,000 price range for a 2 bed 2 bath.

    Skip and Barb

    by Skip — July 31, 2012

  56. Have you checked out St. Marys, Georgia? Small town living on the water, about 35 minutes north of Jacksonville, Florida (the Mayo Clinic is in Jacksonville), and 30 minutes south of Brunswick, Georgia. Although not a “retirement community” per se, many retirees relocate there.

    Jan Cullinane
    The New Retirement: The Ultimate Guide to the Rest of Your Life
    The Single Woman’s Guide to Retirement

    by Jan Cullinane — August 1, 2012

  57. Rich,
    We have done considerable research and seem to be leaning toward the Chapel Hill/Pittsboro area of NC. It sounds like you are really happy in the Chapel Hill area. Are you in a 55+community and can you recommend it? Thanks so much.
    Linda L

    by Linda L — August 1, 2012

  58. In terms of communities in NC, I have lived in Greenville, NC for over 20 years. It is an active college town with a first rate medical facility… In fact, Im a nurse at Vidant Medical Center. Cost of living is very reasonable and below the average of the NC cities. Greenville is 70 miles from the coast. If you are looking to get the most bang for your buck in NC this would be a community to consider.

    by Nancy — August 2, 2012

  59. Never written before & have followed you for years. Have favored Cary, NC but have been held in place by family. Now I’m 70, my husband 80 – have very little family left. Son & family live 6 hours away. Feel life is passing us by & don’t know if we have the ability to catch up

    by Ilene — August 3, 2012

  60. Ilene, I was kinda sad when I read your comment today. I live in NC since 93 when I left Florida from 75 to 93. Started out in NY. I am 63 today! and I always figure that by the time I am 70, I can get outta here. I live 15 minutes from Cary, where by the way I lived from 93 to 97 and now I live in unincorporated Wake County (Fuquay Varina address). This is a good area, the Triangle if you are going to raise kids, or your kids or here with your grandchildren. Other than that it is no place for retirees. Don’t get me wrong, house prices are stable, but it’s very hot here in Central NC. Where do you live now?

    “Old age is no place for sissies.” Bette Davis

    That is what I keep telling everyone!

    by Susan — August 3, 2012

  61. Ilene and Susan,
    I am writing about your postings of August 2nd and 3rd. Susan, Happy Birthday!
    We are orginally from North Carolina and have moved to Florida to a community that we thought would keep us both active and looking forward to the remaining years. However, we miss North Carolina so much and have decided to move back. We know the state very well but is a different situation to determine sctive living for retirees. North Carolina has become the most popular state for retirees but the developers have not built enough communities to keep up with the people moving. They are now doing that but we need the facilities now. We are from Charlotte. We have looked in the Cary,Chapel Hill,Raliegh area and have researched all those small towns and as you say Susan, they are very nice but seem to be family oriented. We have looked and visited many times to Fearrington Village in Pittsboro, seven miles from Chapel Hill. It is a lovely community with many clubs, and other advantages. Also Duke medical on site. It is not a 55+ community but it pretty close to it. It is in chatham county with much lower taxes and Duke has a life long learning program that is excellent. There are many other postives for living in the area. I will say that we am still searching all of North Carolina before we make our decision. Ilene, I am 70 and my husband is 82. We have no family left except our children and grands. They are in NC and are all very busy with thier own families so we look to people in the 55+ age group for our friends and relationships. Sometime I feel that time is passing us by although I do have a postive outlook that we must and will find the right place this time. Therefore, I am still and have researched every possible way to see everything available in NC. Susan, we are coming to your area in early September and I will be happy to meet with you to tell you about all my research or if you like I will send my email and phone number so we can talk. Ilene, just because you and your husband are in the ages you are, do not feel that you have to be stuck where you are. If you would like to talk or email let me know and I will be happy to. Send your email or phone number. We hopefully can all feel that age is just a number and we can still get on out there and live and have great fun with each other. ( sorry this is so long)

    by Linda Hammond — August 4, 2012

  62. Before you consider anything, check the crime stats and those hidden costs.

    by Boy Ben — August 6, 2012

  63. Does anyone have an insite on Hickory nc..We are heading to Asheville to look around and just came across Hickory about an hour away.

    by barbara — August 7, 2012

  64. Hi…I have recently decided to relocate from Lynchburg Va to to the coast of either NC or SC. I am single and pushing retirement age. Does anyone have any advice on which town or city is best for over 55 and is single friendly??


    by Lynda — August 20, 2012

  65. Can anyone tell me whether Asheville’s Creative Retirement Exploration Weekend in May is worth signing up for? What did you learn? Thanks.

    by Alex — August 21, 2012

  66. Barbara, please share your impressions of Asheville and hickory for that matter. As I live abroad (in Argentina ) I need to depend on the community for hints to good retirement spots for when I make the move back home.

    by Mike A — August 22, 2012

  67. Mike A…We are going to Asheville in Sept to start looking around. We have already spoken to a realtor to take us around,,If you check out ashevillerealestate.com there is a large variety of housing. I’ll update when i get back.

    by barbara — August 23, 2012

  68. Alex, I attended the last CREW weekend. It was very well done and I think you’ll get a good sense of what to look for when relocating for retirement in Asheville or elsewhere. On Sat night they assigned local people who had relocated to Asheville and are involved with the program to have dinner with small groups of CREW attendees in downtown Asheville restaurants. This was a great opportunity to see the night life in the downtown area and to learn about their experiences during the relocation process and how they liked living in Asheville. We joked about them “drinking the Kool-Aid” because everyone raved about Asheville. On Sunday afternoon local realtors were assigned to CREW members to take them to see different local and surrounding Asheville areas. That was a good opportunity to ask the realtors questions about the area.
    All in all, I found the CREW weekend to be well worth my time and money.

    by Maggie — August 24, 2012

  69. Thanks, Maggie

    by Alexc — August 25, 2012

  70. Maggie – I’m interested in attending this conference in Asheville. Did they provide you w/a list of hotels or how did that work? How about the additional cost of lodging?

    by Kay — August 25, 2012

  71. Hi Michelle, The costs for lodging was extra but they did provide the names of hotels that would give discounted rates for CREW participants. The website for the weekend is: http://ncccr.unca.edu/creative-retirement-exploration-weekend and the person in charge is Michelle Rogers mrogers@unca.edu . She is very helpful and can provide you with all the details.

    by Maggie — August 26, 2012

  72. Good Morning. I am a widow of 13 years and will be reaching the 70 mark very soon. I seem to be stuck in my decision process and am all over the board. The most difficult part is finding an area friendly to singles. Everything and everyone seems to come in pairs. I sold my house after my husband passed and bought a smaller one in a community of mostly families and felt very out of place. Now renting an apartment and desperately looking to settle in and get on with life. I have narrowed my search down to NC, VA, TN. It was all over the place before, trust me! This is nothing. Not necessarily looking for over 55 per se, however areas 55 & over friendly i.e. medical, artistic, educational, activities, etc. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I’m currently living in the “state of confusion”. Actually, I have lived in MD all my life, however with all the taxes etc. I find it impossible to stay. Thanks…..

    by Karen M — August 26, 2012

  73. To Alex, Kay & Karen too, I also attended the last CREW conference in Asheville and we agree 100% with Maggie. It was very informational & especially helpful in getting partners to talk with each other and others in similar situations. There were a number of singles who attended also and felt the weekend was very beneficial. We of course fell under the spell of Asheville and we are planning a full month there early next year. One week felt too much like being a tourist and a month will help us feel more a part of the community. Don’t worry too much about that ‘state of confusion.’ We are all there to some degree!

    by cherie — August 26, 2012

  74. This is my first time writing on this site but after seeing Karen M’s statement about being a widow and looking for a place that is single friendly I’d like to know if anyone knows about the Pawley Island, SC 55 + communities like Heritage, Pawleys Plantation, River Club or others in that area. Are there singles in these communities?

    by Susan Y — August 27, 2012

  75. Cherie’s comment about staying somewhere for a month to get a better feeling for it is a really good one. I have a number of places I’d like to visit but the cost would turn out to be really large. The problem is, I haven’t figured out the most economical way of handling a stay of this length. Can anyone share with me how they might have done it in the past?

    by LFremont — August 27, 2012

  76. To Karen, I understand your situation. I am not a widow but have been looking everywhere for a good retirement location. We currently live in Maryland as well and plan on leaving due to taxes. Our retirement target date is 5 yrs from now and plan to put our house on the market in 3. So far NC seems the right fit but recently we have been thinking of the Villages in FL. My husband wants us to be around lots of people so we can make friends and also lots of activities. We are planning to visit there and check it out next spring as well as a visit to coastal NC. Just wanted you to know your not alone.

    by Vickie — August 27, 2012

  77. To LFremont regarding affording a month’s stay to better acquaint yourself with a community. We have always found the web site VRBO, vacation rentals by owner, quite helpful. Traveling in an off season is another cost saver plus it gives you the opportunity to be in a location when it is not the prime weather conditions. If you belong to a church, you might check in with the churches in the area of interest. My church runs an out-of-town B&B type system where you can find a family willing to rent part of their home to you for a reasonable rate and the money, or a portion of it, is donated to the local congregation. Trip Advisor is another useful web site with monthly rates for home rentals.

    by cherie — August 27, 2012

  78. To LFremont…cherie is right about checking out Vrbo.com. We are using it to stay in Orlando for January (high season) and Myrtle Beach, (low season) for February. We are escaping the cold NW Indiana winter, and exploring two places for relo. You can get all kinds of places to rent, and usually, by the monthh is more reasonable, especially in low season. We are even taking our dog!

    by Locobill — August 28, 2012

  79. Home exchanges are another way to try out a place; http://www.homeaway.com, for example. If you’re willing to reciprocate and don’t want to pay, you could try wwww.globalfreeloaders.com.

    Jan Cullinane
    AARP’s The Single Woman’s Guide to Retirement (John Wiley & Sons)
    The New Retirement: The Ultimate Guide to the Rest of Your Life (Rodale)

    by Jan Cullinane — August 28, 2012

  80. Value Place – http://www.valueplace.com/

    by doug0613 — August 28, 2012

  81. Hotpads is pretty good for rentals too – http://hotpads.com/

    by doug0613 — August 28, 2012

  82. Retirement is highly overated unless you have unlimited funds. We retired to Texas..San Antonio as the weather was everything we had hoped…warm, dry plenty of healthcare, and a large enough city to have lots to offer…so we thought. Many states that have suffered massive influx of yankees are ill prepared for the rapid expansion, the roads and traffic here are absolutely terrible, rush hour lasts ALL DAY! The healthcare is significant-7 hospitals but most of them are centered in the middle of town…not conveinient to where the growth and building boom is centered. We love to golf and thought there would be an abundance of courses, many were listed in the retirement books and travel books, they are very far apart and expensive. We settled for a home 1/3 rd the size and a small development lot as my husband was tired of taking care of an acre of land. We had no problem with the builder and the house was as expected..the development and city are not. Making friends is difficult in a non retirement community as we have no children to do things in common with our neighbors. Our neighbors all have 1-2 hour commutes and kids to run around on the weekends so we almost NEVER SEE anyone casually in the neighborhood. The weather is awesome here, the locals hate it so most do not come out of their airconditioning all day. I have a neighbor I have not seen once this summer out in her yard. We love our yard to look nice and have spent time adding to the landscape to make our house stand out…no one else on the street has planted even a flower extra from what the builder put in the yard to begin with. It is like living with all apartment dwellers, they pile junk in the garage, mult cars and trucks in the driveways, and dogs in the fenced back yards…we are living in a very nice development and would never have thought that the average homeowner would be so classless, we didn’t think we would have to spend a million dollars to live with educated, cultured polite neighbors…I digress. Bottom line, stay close to your children, family and friends, take an extended vacation to get out of the bad weather and keep the home you already have and love. Unless your children have all moved away from you, relocating is expensive it cost us approx S10,000. (mover, new carlicenses, drivers licenses, new funiture and appliances etc) and may well not be what you were really looking for. You know what Dorothy said was true “what I wanted was always right here in my own backyard!” We always loved the east coast and planned to move to the Pawley’s Island area but the hurricanes and rainy seasons they were having for the past several years before we left changed our minds. We have been back for vacation and still have decided we would not choose a VACATION

    by SUSAN — August 29, 2012

  83. Sorry hit enter before I was done ranting. We would not choose a vacation town, they are what they are…vacation towns, We have been in San Antonio for six years this year, our son is 900 miles away in Nashville, and my Daughter and pending granddaughter are in Arizona on the Apache reservation for her husbands job so we are equal distant from both and will have to stay now that the housing market has tanked and we are still having builders putting up houses as if they cost $1000.00. We are in an area north of town that has had a building boom of over 15,000 houses since we moved in. We will be moving East of the Mississippi as soon as we can, we do love Nashville as well even though it will be more expensive to live there we will have family close. And both my husband and I are back at work, I work full time at a job I love, so now I will be here until I don’t want to work at all as changing jobs is not my idea of a good time, and he works part time at a golf course(expense solved) So real bottom line think long and hard about moving away from everything you have held dear….esp your children and grandchildren! FOR WHAT IT’S WORTH…….

    by SUSAN — August 29, 2012

  84. Request retirement info, or where info can be attained, on Florida coastal area from Melbourne to Hollywood

    by Mike hipschen — August 29, 2012

  85. I think Susan makes a great argument for the idea of spending more than a weekend or a few days researching a location. Or even worse, researching from the computer. Sometimes the ease of technology is tempting but the heart may have different plans for us! Some of these big developments even have a rent before you buy program so you can get a feel for the community before you cough up your hard-earned savings. While it may not be the most fun-filled vacation, going in the “worst” season may yield the best information. For TX, FL and AZ, that would perhaps be August. For the northern climates, maybe Jan-Feb. Better one lousy sweaty/freezing month than a miserable retirement!

    by cherie — August 29, 2012

  86. We moved to south fl. 2 yrs ago while renting our primary home ion long island. We were in a community with lots of tennis,which we love,however,we discovered that for the most part,people were cliquey and reluctant to socialize outside of their sphere of comfort. bottom line, moved back to long island,lucky to have sold our condo..we are renting in a beautiful new community near the water on the south shore. moving,packing,selling etc was a horror but worth it in the end . Grandchildren r here about22miles west. Anyway be careful what you wish for,

    by Linda — August 29, 2012

  87. I lost my job and home a year ago. At age 64+, I am now looking at low income senior rental apartments, some are government housing here in North Georgia. It has been so depressing. This is NOT how I had planned my retirement! So far, I have been approved for food stamps. I took my SS early, it’s not very much – less than $800 a month. Not enough to pay rent, utilities, car payment & insurance, etc. I have applied for so many jobs in my area, but, so far, no replys. I have been having yard sales every weekend to downsize since I inherited my brother’s belongings when he passed away and I had so much stuff of my own after moving from a big house to a small 2 bedroom, 2 bath apartment. I have thought about taking in a room-mate, but friends and family tell me that it could be risky. I wish TR would have some articles on how low income seniors could get help. I know there are so many seniors in my situation. Not all of us are able to purchase a home. And, at my age, I would prefer rent. Anyone with any help or suggestions?

    by Cora — August 29, 2012

  88. I forgot to mention one of the low income apartments I am considering is in a small town near Waynesville, NC since I have many family members in that area.

    by Cora — August 29, 2012

  89. Susan,
    Very interesting and good advice for many. I like that you were specific about the weather, health care, traffic, what was important to what you liked and disliked about your neighborhood, etc. This is the kind of info that I look to this list for. I have no children. But I think that what many people “wish for” is a friendly community. I have often seen that in posts. This is especially true for single folks. So many are being careful with what we “wish for”, but it is a very vague and personal thing. It is very hard to judge in a short visit. If your interests are not golf or “popular” retirement interests it is even harder to judge. But this at least gives us a starting place to explore. I wish more people were like you and are specific about what is great about an area and what just doesn’t work for them and why.
    Thanks for your posts.

    by Elaine — August 30, 2012

  90. Cora,
    Waynesville is a wonderful small town with lots going on. It could make like happier for you go to be near family for support and connect with a senior’s group for friendship. Also, finding a small church of your faith with a senior group can be strong support. Waynesville seems to have “feeling” people that care and that is probably a very good thing for you now. It could prove to be a start over that will be very much to your favor and give you lots of uplifts. Asheville, Hendersonville, Black Mountain and so many other small towns are nearby for fun events. 64 is such a young age and you have a lot of living ahead of you to enjoy. Remember when one door closes another one opens, sometimes even wider. The best of luck and much JOY to you.

    by Linda L — August 30, 2012

  91. Linda: I was wondering if you could be more specific as to where exactly in “south Florida” you were located. My husband and I have just returned from our second trip to the Sarasota/Venice area, and looked around Ft. Myers extensively. At this point, we really don’t care too much for the 55+ areas that we saw: too restricted, too far from town, etc. We also heard that the cliquishness in some of those places was a problem. However, moving to a “regular” area doesn’t help much in meeting folks around your own age and making friends. Could you advise? MANY THANKS!

    by KimbeeJeanq — August 30, 2012

  92. Kimbee-Jeanq….did you look at Pelican Preserve in Fort Myers? It is a 55+ community with a good HOA that is not overly restrictive. We moved here in April and are building a home in Pelican. The grounds are just beautiful and the amenities are wonderful. We are finding people very friendly and depending on what activities you involve yourself in, you quickly get to know people and make new friends. We are about 35 minutes from Fort Myers Beach or Sanibel Island and there are all the stores, places to go within 15-20 minutes of the community.

    by toni — August 31, 2012

  93. Toni, thank you! We had tried to check out Pelican Preserve when we were there in April and the office was closed…and we did not get there this last trip. I am really sorry that I didn’t check it out again, but we are going back in late fall/early winter so we certainly will do so! It’s nice to know that someone who actually is going to live there recommends it for friendly people and good amenities, and a reasonable HOA. The combination of those three factors is not easy to find. Thanks again; I do appreciate your input!

    by Kimbee Jeanq — September 1, 2012

  94. On another blog someone mentioned Pinehurst NC as a good retirement option. I looked online and it looks very interesting. Does anyone else have experience living there? I would enjoy reading some feedback.

    Would also like feedback from those who have experience in SC near the Charlotte NC border.

    How about Greenville SC? I like what I have read about Greenville.

    by Elaine — October 15, 2013

  95. We spent last week in Greenville, SC, and found that it moved to the top of our list (more checking to do!) for retirement from the Dallas area. Beautiful area, wonderful downtown, quite affordable home prices. Much outdoor exercise/activity choices; fit, friendly residents; shopping prices comparable to our area. We are impressed!

    by Joe G — October 16, 2013

  96. I have been looking at NC also. What about Greenville, SC attracts you Elaine? I was looking at Winston-Salem, Greensboro, Burlington, Raleigh all in NC. Undecided that’s for sure. Need affordable option. Any ideas would be welcomed.

    by EJ — October 16, 2013

  97. Elaine, My husband & I visited Greenville SC this past July. We really enjoyed it but want to let you know most of our time was spent in the downtown Main Street neighborhood. Greenville’s Main Street is just beautiful, second to none IMO. We walked & walked passing by innumerable shops & all kinds of restaurants, there is something for everyone . We got to see The Peace Ctr for the Performing Arts (the Jersey Boys were playing @ the time), we took a look at Fluor Field which looked really neat then walked through right thru Falls Park. Although it was July & it was hot & humid we thoroughly enjoyed every minute. In my experience, Greenville is a lively, vibrant beautiful walkable city. I would highly recommend it. Also, I have relatives that live 20 minutes south of Charlotte, NC. They live in a lovely town called Tega Cay, SC. It’s on Lake Wylie, another beautiful town. If u have any questions I would be happy to answer them. I hope this helps.

    by Maureen — October 16, 2013

  98. Just an addition to what Maureen said about Greenville. If you sign up for alerts on Trulia for Greenville, you will see that real estate prices for much of the surrounding is very reasonable.

    by Bill — October 17, 2013

  99. Thanks Maureen and Bill for info on Greenville, SC. I did drive through once about a year ago and took a short break to walk and get something to eat on Main Street. I keep thinking that I should go back and spend some time there. It is not the typical southern city.

    by Elaine — October 17, 2013

  100. In July of 2013 my wife and I planned a vacation that took us through South Carolina, North Carolina and into Tennessee. While in Tennessee, we traveled from Mountain City to Ducktown, no interstates just the smaller highways and by-ways of Eastern Tennessee looking for a place to retire. While in South Carolina, Greenville was a community that we had no intention of visiting. But once in town it was a pleasant surprise, we found the residents to be very friendly, business’s accommodating and the mountains and countryside beautiful. I had never realized that western South Carolina’s Upcountry was as beautiful as it was. Then while looking into the price of real estate for a home with acreage, it is very comparable to the areas in Tennessee we visited and considered moving to. Even though Eastern Tennessee was our initial focus, that visit to the area surrounding Greenville, has made us consider it as a place to relocate to.

    by Mark — October 18, 2013

  101. Re: Greenville, S.C.
    My notes say “hot and humid” in summer. Is this true? It looks farther
    west on the map. Also, is it on a lake?
    Thanks for past and future information.

    by Moving South — October 18, 2013

  102. I grew up in New England and have pretty much accepted the fact that the entire east coast and Gulf States are off my list because of the humidity. It is really difficult to escape it in those areas. There are some many nice places in Georgia and Alabama too, but the humidity nixes it for us.

    by Mark P — October 19, 2013

  103. Moving South: Regarding Greenville, SC weather, it was hot & humid for the few days I was there this past July. It was, however, not unbearable. For better information I would google Greenville year round weather. Prior to Greenville SC my husband & I visited Sun City in Bluffton, SC and Savannah, Ga. It was REALLY hot & humid there, although both are beautiful places to visit.

    by Maureen — October 20, 2013

  104. Has anyone compared the Savannah, GA area to South Carolina for retirement? We have in particular been looking at The Landings on Skidway Island.

    by Dan — October 21, 2013

  105. Elaine,
    We have been doing a lot of reserach on Pinehurst and the area and are impressed with what we have found as well as finding the people friendly. We are North Carolina natives and have been to the area many times over the years and have attended allof the golf opens. We believe we have seen the area in many different situations to get a better view.We have talked with many people to ask how they like it and have had great reviews. I have a lot of information and will be getting more when we visit in the next week or so to look at homes. If I can send you information or anything that will be helpful let me know how to get in touch with you.

    by Linda — October 21, 2013

  106. Linda, I would love some information on Pinehurst as well. I am about 2 years away from retirement and have started doing some research. How can we connect?

    by Mary Konwinski — October 22, 2013

  107. My Wife and I are also very interested in ‘The Landings’ on Skid way Island … the amenities seem perfect for an active couple in retirement however we are concerned with the membership fees and cost of living … can anyone comment??

    by Stephen — October 22, 2013

  108. Stephen,

    I ruled the “Landings” out after seeing their mandatory membership fees and ongoing costs. Didn’t like the Savannah area as much as Pawleys Island.

    by Richard — October 22, 2013

  109. Linda,
    I would appreciate info on North Carolina.
    Email me at InParaFL@aol.com please.
    Many thanks.

    by EJ — October 22, 2013

  110. Linda- I would love infor on N Carolina too! Thanks so much!

    by LisaJ — October 23, 2013

  111. Linda, my email is mgk48@verizon.net. Thanks so much!

    by Mary — October 23, 2013

  112. Brunswick Forest—I have been reading the many posts here and wondering about Brunswick Forest in Leland (Wilmington) NC—It seems to be a fast growing community and on paper, it looks quite nice—Anyone have any experiences to share??

    by Steve — October 23, 2013

  113. I will be retiring in the next two years and love horses. Based on research Aiken, SC is the hub of equestrian activity. Are there folks out there that can share more input about Aiken and the surrounding area? Also, I am looking in the Colorado and Montana area as I love the west -> open spaces, snow. Again, anybody that has some input around those two states regarding horse friendly towns that would be great. My goal is to buy a place where I can saddle up and go for a nice long ride. All feedback welcome…

    by SueC — October 23, 2013

  114. Linda, I am the Elaine that exchanged emails with you on another blog about relocating new family. And yes, I am interested in more info. I expect to make a quite trip down that why…not really exploring the area, but just to see a few areas to decide if they are even worth exploring. One thing I would like to know know is if you are just looking at the community or active adult communities and any nice areas either in Pinehurst or any specific active adult or other planned communities. When I am closer to making a quite trip I may have more questions. You can email me directly at easper@umw.edu or I will also keep looking on this blog. I know I do not want Wilmington, NC since I lived there. I did like living in Chapel Hill, but do not think that is on my list for retirement. I will also look at the Charlotte area, but maybe South Carolina side of Charlotte. I think you mentioned that you did not like the traffic and congestion in the Dharlotte area.

    by Elaine — October 23, 2013

  115. Oops that was a quick trip…lol

    by Elaine — October 23, 2013

  116. Thinking of relocating to South Carolina up around the York area. Last of our kids are leaving Ohio and we won’t have anyone here. I know I’ve read that you shouldn’t follow your kids but it will be hard not to have anyone around. Can anyone give me info on towns around York? I’ve read where it’s cheaper in SC than North so I’d appreciate any input I can get.. Thanks so much.

    by Connie — October 23, 2013

  117. Elaine: Can you tell us what you didn’t like about Wilmington, based on living there? Theoretically it’s in a great location on the map, and I know I’ve seen it on “best places to retire” lists over the years.

    by Sharon — October 23, 2013

  118. Sharon, I did not find the people friendly. I was working and a member of my main interest club so I did have a social life, but made very few “real” friends there. I have moved for work many times and lived in 8 states and usually made friends relatively easily, but not in Wilmington. Since then there is a planned community across the Cape Fear River in Leland (Brunswick Forest?) that may help for those new to the area. It looks nice on paper. I also did not like the long stem drive to go elsewhere for events, etc. If you have much more money than I do, you might enjoy Landfall. I really did like the little airport. To be fair, I am very fair and cannot spend all day on a boat or on the beach.
    PS I did like Chapel Hill, NC when I worked there, And I like NC and may consider it for retirement.

    by Elaine — October 23, 2013

  119. I am considering transferring to an office in the Ballantyne Area of North Carolina (just south of 485). If I do so, I will be working there until I retire. I was considering moving to Fort Mill or Rock Hill in South Carolina, which would server as home for the next 10 years and then my home to retire. Does anyone have experience living in these areas? or can recommend another area in South Carolina that would be a maximum of 20 minutes from Ballantyne. Thank you.

    by Michael AK — October 29, 2013

  120. Michael AK – I’m contemplating a relocation to Charlotte within six months or so, with a potential retirement in a 2-6 year timeframe. I am hoping you get lots of answers! I’ve been told by people in our Charlotte office that I should look at South Carolina to get significant real estate tax savings. Rock Hill is the area that seems to come up the most in my conversations with people in our Charlotte office, and I see there is a Del Web community there. I’ve been to the Ballantyne area several times on business, and it’s very attractive. Good luck – maybe our moving trucks will pass each other on the way to the Carolinas!

    by Sharon — October 30, 2013

  121. Steve, I have visited and reviewed Brunswick Forest in Leland, NC. It is about the best organized community I know (and I have been through more than 150 in the southeast). The owners have deep pockets, all the amenities were in from the beginning, the golf course is one of the best on the east coast (reasonable annual dues) and baby boomers are beating a path to their door. My real estate professional in Brunswick County tells me they sold 55 properties in BF last month. As golf communities go, it is as close to a sure thing as you can get, and you can’t beat the proximity to shopping, medical, and downtown Wilmington. The only thing it is missing is a beach nearby; it is about a half hour to Wrightsville Beach. Happy to provide more info or put you in touch with my Realtor in Brunswick County (by the way, other nice options in the area at prices below BF (although it is well priced and loaded with value) and above.

    by Larry — October 30, 2013

  122. I note in some of the posts here an obsession with tax rates. I have worked with some folks to help find them homes in the southern U.S. and they insist on looking in Alabama, Florida and Tennessee because those states have no income taxes. After some back and forth, I come to find out that their retirement incomes are such that they shouldn’t worry at all about income tax rates. The concern for everyone except the millionaires among us should be total cost of living, not just taxes. In the last couple of days, there has been some dialogue here about comparable property taxes in Rock Hill, SC and Charlotte, about 20 minutes or so apart. The overall cost of living in Charlotte compared with Rock Hill is 3% higher. (Source: BestPlaces.net) Now if you spend $100,000 a year, that $3,000 difference could be meaningful, but if you put a value on living close to the city — say in the Ballantyne area of Charlotte — then the differences are negligible. I counsel my customers not to get too deep in the heart of taxes. (Sorry, couldn’t resist.)

    by Larry — October 30, 2013

  123. Larry: I doubt a lot of people are going to be living on $100,000 per year in retirement, especially since only 50% of families in the US earn over $100,000 during their working years. I will pay cash for a retirement home. After that, I’ll be living on my savings, 401K withdrawals and SS. Differences in real estate taxes, income tax, insurance, HOA fees and utilities will mean a lot to me in retirement since these expenses have the potential to significantly reduce the money I have available each month. I bet the majority of people are in the same boat and are also looking for lowest cost of living and highest quality of life to get the biggest bang for their bucks. If the net cost of living in S. Carolina is $1,000 less than No. Carolina for equivalent housing, that could be important information for some of us.

    by Ted — October 31, 2013

  124. Ted, I am using the same sources as you are to live in retirement. I used the exaggerated $100,000 to make the point that even at that large number, the cost of living difference between, say, Rock Hill (SC) and Charlotte (NC) is not that much, and that for folks with specific lifestyle needs or interests (need to be near a hospital with special care, e.g.), the extra cost may be justified. I agree with you that we all look for “lowest cost of living and highest quality of life”; but sometimes the high quality of life side of the equation comes with an extra cost. I’ve visited some very remote areas of South Carolina, for example, where taxes and other costs of living are much lower than elsewhere. That will be okay for those who prefer to live in the “middle of nowhere,” but most of us would like to be near a few restaurants, a university, quality healthcare and a movie theater.

    by Larry — October 31, 2013

  125. Good point Larry. We began looking at areas by comparing tax rates and quickly changed our planning when I computed the cost of living with elec, gas, water, insurance, etc.

    by Marilyn — October 31, 2013

  126. Yup, I absolutely agree that living in the middle of nowhere affects quality of life and probably wouldn’t appeal to many retirees. It gets trickier when you’re talking about somewhere like Charlotte, where you can have access to Charlotte’s amenities from both North Carolina and South Carolina.

    by Ted — October 31, 2013

  127. Larry, Does Brunswick Forest have any age restrictions?
    Do non-golfers pay the same HOA fees?

    by Herbert Hodes — November 1, 2013

  128. It is really important to look at the total cost of living not just tax rates. We basically looked at taxes but not some other issues before we moved to the Charlerston area. My water bill is about 3 times what it was in Michigan but so far gas and electric have been less even with running the ac nonstop until recently. I feel like the cost of food is more, had sticker shock in the grocery stores. There is also a personal property tax on cars, boats, etc. You pay it every year based on the value with a maximum of $300 in our county. Our property taxes will be much less but most areas have higher sales tax to make up the difference. That all being said, would I still have moved here? Yes!

    by Kathy C — November 1, 2013

  129. Larry regarding Brunswick Forest the community sounds nice but the prices are quite high for the homes or townhouse. $150,000 is the top of my price range. Looking at the Myrtle Beach area the prices and inventory are more in line with our budget.

    by Skip — November 1, 2013

  130. Skip, you are correct, Myrtle Beach will offer much more in that price range. Across Highway 17 from Brunswick Forest is a somewhat older golf community called Magnolia Greens. I note that they have condos beginning at $149,000 if you prefer the Leland area to Myrtle Beach (parts of the latter are a little more hectic than outside Wilmington). Ted, we agree that the Charlotte suburbs do extend to SC. I was just making a general (perhaps exaggerated) point about there being some “value” in lifestyle consideration that, for some, could be worth paying a little extra in taxes.

    by Larry — November 1, 2013

  131. 🙄 I am still in a quandary as to where to go and how to find the affordable housing for the remainder of my days. I prefer the Carolinas, but not in the middle of no where and not in the middle of the urban hubbub!
    I enjoy participating in music organizations as a vocalist and instrumentalist. I thrive on spectator sports, esp baseball and motor sports. I am alone, well educated, active, love travel, photography and my 8 “grands”. Needing to come East again from the West. Again, any and all of your suggestions and shared experiences will be most appreciated. I can read them here or at inparafl@aol.com.

    by EJ — November 1, 2013

  132. Skip, I too am looking in the same general price range as you. Have you looked at Fort Mill, S.C. It’s 20 minutes south of Charlotte & the prices & property taxes are reasonable for condos. You might want to look up the Fieldstone and Waterstone communities there & see if they appeal to you. Baxter Village has some reasonably priced condos. Also, there is a 55 & over community in Fort Mill called Gold Hill. It’s small but nice & sometimes list condos for 159,000. I have relatives that live in the area of Fort Mill so I am somewhat familiar. Best of luck in your search.

    by Maureen — November 2, 2013

  133. Steve, My husband and I moved to Brunswick Forest from CT in May. We spent 5 months looking around NC and SC for a community that met our criteria. We did not want +55 but we did want amenities and a vibrant, growing community. BF was one of the few that met our criteria. As Larry said the amenities are some of the best we saw during our search. The website has a full list of amenities and information about the community. We did find that the prices for homes in BF are above average for the area. Most of the people moving here are from NJ, NY, PA, and New England.
    It is a large community. I think at full build out it will have 10,000 homes-right now it’s at 1,100 and building is booming. However, the community is divided into smaller neighborhoods so it still has a smaller feel within the actual neighborhoods. Most of the people you speak with who live here, love it. We have not found it to be too ‘clicky’ for the most part. People are eager to meet each other and are very friendly. However, we have never felt pressured to join in when we don’t want to.
    Leland is also growing fast and there are grocery stores, drug stores, a Walmart and other stores in town to meet daily needs but there aren’t a lot of choices for restaurants and activities. However, Wilmington has TONS of restaurants and the cultural scene is pretty good. You can’t compare it to NY but it holds its own compared to small cities. The one thing my husband struggles with is the traffic and red lights. You need to be patient when driving into and around Wilmington. There is a lot going on in the area as far as road improvements and new road construction.
    As far as cost of living, we aren’t really sure if we ended up better off than we were in CT. Some things are less (taxes, etc.) but other things are more or the same (food, water bill). Not sure what else you would like to know but if I’d be happy to try and answer any other questions you have concerning BF. Good luck with your search!

    by emoejo95 — November 2, 2013

  134. Maureen /Larry thank you both for your suggestions I will be checking out the areas you both suggested. For our money and lifestyle SC seems to offer everything we need for a happy retirement.

    by Skip — November 2, 2013

  135. SueC – my husband and I visited Aiken recently (Woodside Plantation) It is a fantastic town with lots to offer: restaurants, shops, equestrian activities, community involvement, the arts – we loved it. Only downside was that the beach is 2 1/2 hrs. away. Anyone have an opinion on St. James Plantation?

    by Countess — November 8, 2013

  136. Countess, we also looked at Aiken and also thought Woodside Plantation to be a wonderful community. But the distance from the ocean ruled it out for us as well, as we have lived on the coast in New England our entire lives. Just could not give up the beach walks! We ended up after a few years of searching and visiting coastal communities in Florida and SC, purchasing property in Beaufort SC on Dataw Island. We found the town of Beaufort to be just as charming – if not more – than Aiken. Many restaurants, activities, festivals and arts events – a campus of USC is located there. We found Dataw Island based on a friend’s recommendation, and it is a perfect fit for us- gated, lots of amenities and clubs to meet people through, an active pub and clubhouse, golf courses, a marina for boating or kayaking, and a national seashore park just down the road. More water in this area of the LowCountry than we could have imagined! So we are super excited to be planning our retirement home there, and you might want to check it out online if the coast is where you want to be!

    by SandyZ — November 9, 2013

  137. Countess, I have not been to St. James Plantation but live in Wilmington which is a little over 1/2 hour away. I would tell you that if you want to live “out there”, it is OK but you need to travel to Wilmington for most things. Southport is a nice town but is more of a tourist place. You might want to consider Brunswick Forest in Leland, just over the river from Wilmington. You have a sense of community there and it is just a hop, step and a jump from Wilmington.

    by Dick — November 9, 2013

  138. Any opinions on Tennessee for retirement?

    by Jim — November 9, 2013

  139. Jim-what are you looking for in TN?

    by LisaJ — November 10, 2013

  140. Jim, in response to your question about TN. We lived in TN for 15 yrs in Franklin and unless you have “kin” you’re not truly accepted or included. I could give you a litney of situatins that we tried to get social events going and invited a number of people for different ocassions and to our astonishment the rudness of not either coming or rsvping was an eye-opener. We were very glad to leave TN. Don’t know where you’re from but if you’re not from the south it’s very discouraging. Southern hospitality is a myth. There are, of course, in retirment communities groups of residence from other parts of the country and in our opinion it’s well worth checking that out. Sometimes the cost of living somewhere is not worth the area. We would never consider TN for retirement. Just passing on our experiences.

    by tgb — November 10, 2013

  141. Countess, this spring my husband and I toured St James Plantation, along with many of the large communities in the area in N.C. We crossed St James off our list for a few reasons, even though the houses and landscape is very impressive, I did not get a neighborhood feel. It is a big golfers community and we don’t golf. Also there are different price memberships you must pay for for golfing or pool and fitness they are not included in the hoa fees. The last reason is there really is not much around there as far as stores or restaurants. We are from long Island and did not want to have to drive 30 miles to go to certain stores or restaurants. We bought a house in Brunswick Forest which has many choices as far as housing, all the amenities are included, and we have endless choices of what to do in the area, since Wilmington is just a few miles away. We do have our own village with brand new food store, pharmacy, restaurants too!

    by Barbara — November 10, 2013

  142. SandyZ, I have been impressed with Dataw Island on my two visits there, but I think it may be a bit misleading to reference a national seashore park “just down the road” if you mean Hunting Island State Park, which is 22 minutes away (I do not believe there is a beach any closer than that but am willing to be corrected). If beach walks are high on folks’ lists, there are more convenient options up and down the Carolinas coasts…Amen to those who liked Aiken and Woodside Plantation. Aiken is what I think of a small, southern town to be, and Woodside is well managed and mature; it seemed to skirt the problems of the recession better than many such communities…Barbara, I am thinking I may have helped you find your home at Brunswick Forest. If so, I am glad things have worked out so well. You had the good sense and taste to buy into the fastest growing golf community on the the east coast the last few years, and whenever I drive by on Highway 17, I am blown away by how much the area outside the community has grown. In terms of convenience to services and shopping, as well as to Wilmington, an interesting town, Brunswick Forest is hard to beat on the coast (except it, too, is a good 20 minutes from a beach).

    by hotcguy — November 10, 2013

  143. Just wondering overall how it compares to other states for retirement. If anyone has retired in Tennessee, why did they pick Tennessee?

    by Jim — November 10, 2013

  144. Jim –

    We have been looking at E. Tennessee for a long time – my husband is a ret. Army officer and in spite of not having any military support, we are going to Tennessee. Yes, there is a 10% sales tax – however there are no state taxes on retirement income, and even though I have from the south, I have lived many places, and the folks in Tennessee are just about as friendly to you as you are to them. Do they accept ‘outsiders’? I am sure that with any one thing in common, there will be friends, and the chances of not having something in common is not likely – be it fishing, bridge, gardening, water sports, church – you will find that if you are accepting, you will be accepted! Conservative political thinking is another plus – since you will find only pockets of liberals in the big cities – and perhaps some college towns, although I just saw that Sewannee, home of the College of the South, is listed a conservative – go figure! I am sure that my husband will seek his own by joining the VFW – although he is pretty much ‘clubbed out’ like I am, however I will join local historical and/or genealogical societies since that is what I am interested in – however I am writing a voluminous family history so will probably not be too involved. For others, the common denominator might be a church, for golfers, they golf… but we just love the clean air of the mountains and are also looking for quality medical care for those with Medicare and that is going to be hard to come by now. I asked my family practice physician what a senior should do, and she suggested settling near a large teaching medical university – and UT is in Knoxville, just a hop, skip and jump from the Smokey Mountains.
    Right now I am looking at Sevierville, Maryville, or Townsend where I have found a builder whose work I like… but all I can say is don’t leap without looking! Do your homework, consider what is most important to you, and go for it! My oldest son is appalled that his parents are moving somewhere we don’t know anyone – but for us, it’s ‘our turn’ to live where we want to live since both of us are on the downhill run – ahhh to live in the mountains, and God willing to die there! …
    … although I am also looking at the lakes in Georgia and S.C. that form the borders of the states IF I can find something near good medical care and transportation. There is more to do near larger cities and even more in a university or college town… did you know that the UT fans often take their ‘boats’ to the weekend games? Well, UT is on the big, broad Tennessee River, on both sides really with the medical on the south and the academic and vet schools on the north – never even thought about retiring there until we visited one summer on our way back from my 50th high school reunion in Georgia – and even with the tourist crowds we loved it! We went back at Christmas meeting our oldest daughter and two grandsons there, and without the crowds were able to see it more clearly, talk to more locals, and find out that there are many ways to beat the tourist traffic!
    Hope I have answered your TN question and will be happy to discuss this with you further at dsanfilippo303@comcast.net

    Diane S Sanfilippo
    Virginia (charges taxes on military retirement)

    by Diane — November 10, 2013

  145. To clarify “Hot Guy” s inquiry about Hunting Island Seashore Park in SC…we clocked it in our car on our last visit as proximity to a beach for walking is a priority to us in our retirement choice. The distance from the gatehouse at Dataw Island is 10.8 miles and 15 minutes. Not a perfectly scientific stat for sure, just our info to share. The island itself is surrounded by tidal waters and Morgan River frontage. So if you are looking for a watery location as we were, we think that you can’t beat the LowCountry! We found it to be a perfect match – and we spent YEARS visiting other locations, even trying inland locations such as Aiken. Just felt like something was missing without seeing water. May not be others’ cup of tea, and that is just fine. Good luck and have fun searching!

    by SandyZ — November 11, 2013

  146. General comparisons of one state to another are not especially helpful. There are locations in Tennessee that I am sure, for some people, are better than some locations in South Carolina; and there are some locations in SC that, for those same folks, are way better than in Tenn. Asking if NC is a better place to retire than GA, or vice versa, is like asking which is better — a filet mignon or a ribeye. It is all about personal taste, and you won’t learn the answer without tasting for yourself. There is plenty of data available on the web to answer questions about climate, taxes, overall cost of living, and the like; the questions that will yield the most helpful answers are those that ask, for example, if one community is friendlier than another, or if the traffic in one urban area is better or worse than in another, or if a beach 15 minutes away is good enough to get you to drive there frequently. SandyZ, for example, does an excellent job of describing why she loves Dataw; asking about specific communities will always yield more helpful information than asking if State A is a better place to live than State B. (I prefer ribeye, by the way.)

    by Larry — November 11, 2013

  147. Please just tell me if I am looking for a Utopia that does not exist!
    I am looking for an active retirement community so I will have a social life and activities. I would like to be near a lake. And I want a rental. I thought western Carolinas or eastern Tennessee would be cheaper than urban and costal areas, but I have only seen info on large expensive estates. I do not golf or ride horses, but want to swim and watch boating.
    Any help appreciated!

    by Moving South — November 11, 2013

  148. Moving South, your Utopia seems within reason, but without a price range, it is hard to determine where Utopia might be found. Question: Does your swimming need to be in a lake, or would a nice community pool work? Would you take an attractive river instead of a lake, one beside which you could sit and watch the boats go by (although you might have to drive to the park to do that)? My initial reaction was New Bern, NC, but there certainly are many other places to find your Utopia.

    by Larry — November 11, 2013

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    by Elizabeth — March 27, 2014

  151. Does anyone have any thoughts on Compass Pointe near
    Wilmington ?

    by Cathy — June 5, 2014

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  153. Would love recommendations on reasonably-priced condo living in mountain area near Asheville in which an active single lady would feel welcomed, secure and find plenty to do. Thanks!

    by Sue — June 28, 2014

  154. Edenton, NC is a waterfront community with tons of young, active retirees. It is on the beautiful Albemarle Sound which is ideal for sailing, boating, and fabulous views. The charming historic downtown area is walkable and friendly with many beautiful historic homes and great water views. Several newer communities in the area offer waterfront properties, golf and tennis facilities.

    by Donna — October 27, 2014

  155. Moving South, consider Edenton, NC.

    by Donna — October 27, 2014

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  157. […] The Carolinas: reported on a trip he took to: My wife and I just returned from a two week trip through the Carolinas. We did not want a coastal area so we focused on Raleigh-Durham, Greenville, SC and Charlotte. The weather in all three of these areas is similar, mild winters and hot steamy summers (not as hot as Charleston). (Jack) Hertford, NC: We chose northeast North Carolina for temperate year round living in Albemarle Plantation in Hertford, NC. We cannot afford to own two places nor would we want to travel back and forth. We are in North Carolina’s inner banks which has a moderate climate influenced in part by the coastal climate. We are only a day’s drive to the northeast or Florida where we have relatives to visit and yet we have left the congestion of the cities behind. We are in a gated community that offers golf and boating and have a myriad of volunteer opportunities to stay busy. This community is low cost enough for us to own our house outright after selling our Northeast home. We like the community because the people are friendly and easy to meet. The nearest city is Elizabeth City, NC about 20 minutes away where you can find just about everything. (Charlie) […]

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  158. My husband and I are interested in the Calabash North Carolina area versus Murrells Inlet South Carolina area.
    any suggestions or opions?

    by sue — February 17, 2015

  159. We moved to Asheville, NC before retirement 28 yrs. ago and would not live anywhere else in retirement. Being transplanted Wisconsinites the climate is perfect here- the SE outside the mountains is far too hot and humid for us in late spring, summer, and early fall. In the years we have lived here we have been almost everywhere in NC, SC and definitely prefer Asheville. It has a fantastic medical system, too, which should be very important to retirees. We love the four seasons with a little snow ( once in a great while we’ve gotten dumped on) to satisfy me, summers are mild with afternoons in the lower to mid 80’s and the nights really cool off. Spring and fall are my favorite seasons – long and gorgeous! Asheville, however, has some of the highest home prices in the Carolinas. Thankfully, we moved here before the boom!

    by Sonja Dunbar — April 15, 2015

  160. My husband and I are about to start building a house in Charleston, SC. We live in Ohio and have been going to Charleston for years, first with our kids and then without them. After considering many other places in the US, we made this decision because we love everything about the city — the culture, the beauty, the restaurants, the water and, for the most part, the weather. I know the hot, humid summers will bother me, but I think we will try to travel in August. Our daughter lives in Seattle and August is the best time of year there! We are hoping everyone isn’t far right wing, though. We are moving to an area where many people have come or are coming from the northeast or midwest, so hopefully that will help a little!

    The truth is there are no perfect places so you have to take a chance and hope for the best!

    by Nicki — April 15, 2015

  161. My husband I are are interested in potentially retiring to The Reserve at Lake Keowee. Anyone have any firsthand knowledge – positive or otherwise about the area? Thanks!

    by Darci — April 15, 2015

  162. Darci, The Reserve at Lake Keowee is a wonderful choice. I have visited it three times and reviewed its real estate and golf course for my blog site, GolfCommunityReviews.com. Here are a few specific impressions; I’d be happy to provide additional info at your request. First, the development of the community has been patient and well organized. For example, they contemplated building two full 18 hole golf courses right off the bat, but decided — quite wisely, as it turned out — to invest in only one (they have the blueprints for the other safely stored in a drawer). The Jack Nicklaus golf course is good enough to host a professional tour event every May. The SC Golf Rating Panel (I am a member) rated The Reserve the 30th best course in South Carolina which is loaded with top courses; I personally put it in the top 25. The community was founded by a few local professional people — the one I interviewed is an ophthalmologist — and they are passionate about what they created and continue to be personally involved. The real estate is harmonious, which is to say all homes look like they belong there and do not clash with each other at all. Lake Keowee is one of the cleanest and most beautiful anywhere, and the Great Lawn from the clubhouse down to the lake is a great gathering spot for people in the community. The population of the community rises dramatically in summer time, not only because that is when the second home owners (probably more than 50% of owners) come to stay but also when hundreds of children and grandchildren arrive for summer vacation. If there is anything negative to say about The Reserve it is its remote location; the closest town is Clemson, home to the university but not an especially full-service town (in my humble opinion). I found it tough to identify more than one or two decent restaurants. (On the other hand, the dinner I had in The Reserve clubhouse was expertly prepared, by a German or Swiss chef, as I recall.) But if you are okay being “out there,” you won’t find many nicer, better run communities than The Reserve. If you have not engaged a sales person there, I would be happy to recommend the gentleman I work with. Hope this has been helpful.

    by Larry — April 15, 2015

  163. update: after 8 months, wife and i currently getting settled in our rental townhouse, in the RALEIGH, DURHAM, CHAPEL HILL NC neighborhood. we are transplants from MEXIFORNIA. experienced our first, brief snow fall in 35 years. not a problem. the robins came out, before the snow finished melting. strange, but pleasant experience. plenty of activities available, from the local senior centers and the YMCA. traffic is NOT a problem here. gas is cheaper. our rent is less than what our mortgage was. tax issues were and are NOT a problem. lots of fresh air, green trees, lakes and elbow room. we spent a month in a RV PARK, while exploring the WAKE COUNTY retirement life opportunities. we are happy and life is good.

    by davefh — April 15, 2015

  164. I have lived in Raleigh, NC for 28 years, and expect to retire here also. The Triangle area is great to live in! We have the arts, sports, college ball, 3 major universities, tons of golf, beautiful parks, world-class health care and affordability. Growth continues and aside from rush hour congestion, it’s a very wonderful place to live! The beaches are 2.5-3 hours, mountains are 3-4 away. Everything you could want — except real NY bagels.

    by Connie ODonnel — April 15, 2015

  165. I have been receiving marketing lit from The Ponds n SC and The Coves in NC. Does anyone out there have insight or opinions about these 2 projects? I would really appreciate feedback. Thanks

    by Leslie — April 16, 2015

  166. Nicki, we moved to Del Webb Charleston from MI about two years ago. We have not regretted our decision for a minute! We love our community and have met lots of people from all over the country. We enjoy all that Charleston has to offer and are 45 minutes from the beach. I sometimes shake my head at the political culture but try not to stress about it.

    by Kathy — April 16, 2015

  167. Leslie,
    My husband and i visited The Coves last May and really liked the community. The land is beautiful. We’d like to go back to the area and check out Lenoir, the largest town near by. The portion we saw was noisy – filled with hotels and restaurants; hopefully not indicative of the down town area. As the community is rural, we’d like to have a town to visit during indoor weather, etc.
    The community is a lot more rustic and unfinished than the ads indicate, but beautiful if you appreciate nature as we do. The few people we met (there aren’t many there yet) seemed very friendly, and the clubhouse on top of a hill (mt.) was beautiful. We drove around in an open off-the-road vehicle (wear your worst sneakers while exploring the property!), and i didn’t see any finished hiking trails; just very rough roads. Perhaps they were there, and i just didn’t ask. You could easily walk along the main roads, though, and truly enjoy it!
    Met with one builder, and spoke with another on the phone once home, to discuss the cost of building a home. It is more than the ad indicates. Last year it was about $450,000 for a house with a master bedroom and bath on the main floor, and two bedrooms and bath in the basement (walk out with all windows above ground level). Having all on the main level would have raised the price substantially. The property tax in Lenoir was also higher than in more western NC (2 hours away). About $3,000 for the above home.
    I hope this helps a bit. If you have any more questions, please feel free.

    by ella — April 16, 2015

  168. Kathy, Del Webb Charleston? Is that Summerville? If so, is there shopping close now. When we were there the supermarket was just being built out side the community entrance.

    Also, if I remember correctly from a visit a few years ago, The Ponds was created to accommodate 55+ living out of a larger development that was all ages. The recreation center was a nearby YMCA which was not what we were looking for. Lovely community though.

    by Carol — April 16, 2015

  169. Kathy: I would also appreciate hearing about Del Webb Charleston/Summerville. How far is it to a beach (with beach parking)? Can you use your golf carts to get to any stores? How close is the library, and what is it like? How many homes will there be when it’s completely built out? What do you think of the home construction (and insurance costs)? Were you able to customize your home sufficiently — that’s a major issue for me with Del Webb — or find painters, handymen and contractors to add after-market personalization? Where is the closest good hospital, and have you found any difficulties in locating medical providers that will accept Medicare? Did you also look at the Del Webb in Hilton Head, and why did you choose Summerville? Thank you so much for any information you can provide!

    by Sharon — April 17, 2015

  170. Sharon: My wife and I just returned from a trip to Charleston and Hilton Head. We did visit both Del Webb communities and like the Charleston/Summerville property better, the main reason is the large Del Webb Hilton Head is located right off a main highway. However, if you like a more established community and living on or near a golf course the Hilton Head would be ideal.
    Del Webb in Summerville was part of a large complex of all ages which we really liked. The HOA for Summerville are $235 a month, plus $100 per year for the Cane Bay Association and a one time capital contribution of $1050.00. The one thing we did not like was the traffic, rush hour in the morning and afternoon are brutal.
    We love downtown Charleston and the beach about a 30-40 minute drive from Summerville.

    by Bruce — April 18, 2015

  171. Thanks Bruce. I’m looking forward to visiting as soon as possible! I think I’m going to use my vacation time in the Fall to drive down the coast from New Bern to Hilton Head, looking at as many 55+ newer communities as possible. After that, I’ll check out Florida (north of Orlando, including the Villages and developments near St. Augustine and Jacksonville). I’m hoping to find that magic moment when a community feels like a really great match. At that point I’ll whip out the checkbook, and breathe a sigh of relief.

    by Sharon — April 19, 2015

  172. Sharon, dream on. Nirvana is not always Nirvana.

    by Dennis — April 20, 2015

  173. I agree with Sharon and look forward to her comments about all the places she visits. I would like to see more of that here, where people have visited, what they liked and what they didn’t like and why.

    I have always bought homes by the way they feel and I will likely settle on a retirement spot using that same sense of home.

    by Vicki — April 20, 2015

  174. Sharon, hope you are not planning all of those visits in one trip unless you have lots of vacation time. We tried it and found that unless places were located very close to one another we could only see 1-3 places a day, and that was only visits to models homes, talking to the rep and visiting the rec center because we are very interested in the clubs and exercise equipment available. Since the city we live in now has everything available we could possibly want (Chicago suburb) in the way of shopping and entertainment and we love our location here we found we didn’t take the time to explore areas around the 55+ communities we were looking at for grocery stores, shopping, medical, etc. When we do look at those things we keep coming back to our own location and nothing compares, so far. That is, until winter hits us here and we know we have to leave. But next trip will find us looking around outside 55+communities as wel’l which will mean a longer trip to smaller areas at a time. And we will do the’ stay and play’ options when we narrow down our choices. The information we receive from these blogs is invaluable, while realizing we still have to form our own opinions on each place. Thanks everyone. And we know there won’t be the perfect place. Just know we’ve had it with snow, ice and cold.

    by Carol — April 20, 2015

  175. Carol, I am with you. I learned it a different way…I moved for jobs and adjusted well to most area, but NH tausht me that rural is not my thing. So I spend time looking at the surrounding area for many things…including my hobbies that are not something most people in the community will be doing.

    by elaine — April 21, 2015

  176. Any thoughts on areas that are not 55+ I know of the advantage of moving to a community that will provide activities etc, but we don’t want to move to one just in case we decide it isn’t really for us
    thanks for any input.

    by virginia — April 21, 2015

  177. Sharon, one bit of advice, visit during the absolute worst season, i.e. time of year possible, say, Las Vegas in August, Fairbanks in February, Fargo also in February, New Orleans in July-August, etc., etc., etc. And stay for a month in those conditions.

    by Dennis — April 22, 2015

  178. Think twice about moving to NC. A lot would depend about what percentage of your retirement money comes from social security and annuities. If a larger portion is from social security and annuities (unless you are a member of the NC State Retirement System), know that it will be taxed by the state. Gasoline taxes are higher than in SC. How far are you driving to receive medical care, get groceries, etc. Property taxes are higher. Although I have a home in western NC, I am selling it for two reasons: first, I moved to PA to care for aged parents and found that my taxes dropped by about half. I pay no taxes here on social security or any annuities. Second, if I move back south upon my parents’ deaths, I will relocate to South Carolina (the upstate where there are still many lovely mountains and where it is not too far from the beach) and where the cost of housing, property taxes, and gas taxes are lower, and where my social security is not taxed. Weigh all of this before running to NC. It depends upon your circumstances. Perhaps, renting there for a half year or so might be a good way to “get your feet wet.”

    by Jill — April 22, 2015

  179. NC does NOT tax SSI…perhaps that was a change in their tax revisions for 2014. To understand this you need to recognize that the Federal Government does tax some SSI and you recapturing any federal income tax paid.

    This does not mean that NC is the best state for taxes and see my post to see that it is really bad on gas taxes http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/gas-taxes-by-state.aspx If you tend to spend a lot of time right in your neighborhood and travel by golf cart this may not matter. On the other hand if you are towing your boat to the lake or your horse trailer to shows, this may matter

    by elaine — April 22, 2015

  180. Yes elaine NJ doesn’t tax SSI LOL you have to look at the whole picture!

    by Tony — April 23, 2015

  181. Sharon , check out Del Webb Ponte Vedra .Moved here about 6 months ago . NE Florida, near Jacksonville Great community, people, location.

    by Jim — April 23, 2015

  182. I am so sorry to have misled people about NC taxing social security. The state did when I was living there fulltime, but the change in the tax law has occurred since I moved out of the state. Really glad to hear this news.

    by Jill — April 23, 2015

  183. I have been reading a lot about the good and bad of North and South Carolina. Seems like everyone is centered on 55+ communities or near the larger cities in each state. Does anyone have an opinion on living full time on the Outer Banks of North Carolina? We have vacationed there during the Connecticut April school break with our granddaughter over several years and have traveled from the most northern end all the way to the last southern ferry to the mainland. We know people that have only gone there in-season and we know the traffic is brutal at that time – we are prepared for that. Anything else would be extremely helpful.

    by Arlene — April 23, 2015

  184. Jim – Thanks – Ponte Vedra is on my list to investigate! What are your negatives and positives so far? Can you use a golf cart to get to any stores? What do you think about your utility bills? Any feedback will be appreciated.

    by Sharon — April 24, 2015

  185. Jill check Albemarle plantation . large gaited community about 45 min from outer bunks on the water .They have play and stay . Houses from 300k condos 150k lots from 30k.

    by chris dedes — April 24, 2015

  186. Arlene, my daughter and her husband lived on the OBX for three years and only recently moved to the Triangle due to job changes. They loved it there and so do my husband and I. It does get a little desolate during the winter, but that would be fine by me. I love it there and we have often given serious thought to retiring there.

    by Mary K — April 24, 2015

  187. Arlene, my daughter and her husband lived on the OBX for three years and only recently moved to the Triangle due to job changes. They loved it there and so do my husband and I. It does get a little desolate during the winter, but that would be fine by me. I love it there and we have often given serious thought to retiring there.

    by Mary K — April 24, 2015

  188. Any suggestions about moving to Andover MA area just north of Boston from the Midwest? We are moving close to family.

    by Darryl — April 24, 2015

  189. We would love to live within walking distance of the beach. Our concern (probably common for people not from the area) are hurricanes and overall rising ocean levels due to climate change. Anyone who experienced a hurricane Or serious storm in the Carolinas? What are insurance rates for hurricanes/flooding?

    by Ruth — April 24, 2015

  190. Ruth – we are moving from Kennebunk, ME to Dataw Island in Beaufort SC. Yes – we have to have flood insurance, FEMA is about $435.00. Our regular house insurance, with a wind and hail additional coverage will be about 2200.00, about three times as our home in Maine. However, our property taxes will drop from 8450.00 to about 1300! No oil to heat the house, elec bills will be about 160.00 a month on a year round budget plan. Without all of the additional winter expenses it will be a WIN for us! Of course, the dues and fees at Dataw will be an additional cost, but we are prepared for that and it is in line with most other coastal gated golf communities in the area. There are some that are way more expensive! We also looked at del Webb in Ponte Vedra and loved the area, but not that particular community – each to his or her own!

    by SandyZ — April 25, 2015

  191. SandyZ, What did you not like about Ponte Verda? Aomething tangible or did the community and people just not a comfortable fit for you….and if so can you describe? Or is it just a feeling?

    I haven’t visited, but it is on my list. Was there any communities in that area that you did like?

    by elaine — April 25, 2015

  192. water is more expensive than i anticipated . no natural gas here , all electic. electric bill reasonable. homes here priced more than some other del webb communities because of location. still worth a look.

    by jim — April 25, 2015

  193. As stated before my wife and I did visit the Del Webb locations in Summerville (North Charleston), Hilton Head and also Ponte Vedra, Fl. We loved the Ponte Vedra community very nice. Del Webb Ponte Vedra is located in the Nocatee Community and district. There is a Community Development District (CDD) within Nocatee which provides major roadway, parks and recreational facilities (they just completed phase two on the water park). The CDD 20 year bond can run anywhere from $1200 – $2500 annually depending on the house and lot you may choose. Del Webb did offer buy down incentives on select home sites. We found this was one of the more expensive CDD we came across. Just make sure you are aware.
    The house are more expensive compared to other Del Webb locations, but having a location close to the beach has much to do about that. Plus, the salesperson we had was a bit pushy and seemed disappointed that we are still looking for the right location/community. We always state to the salesperson that all new homes are beautiful, we need to find the location/community to satisfy our desires.
    We also check out several of the neighborhoods at the World Golf Village in St. Augustine. We have a reality firm sending us updated information of surrounding areas including Del Webb Ponte Vedra.

    by Bruce — April 25, 2015

  194. Thanks Jim and Bruce. I’ve also found that water is more expensive (an increase of about $20-$30 a month) in the Charlotte area over PA. Overall, I’d say my net cost of utilities is down about $100/mo from PA for a newer house that is nearly the same size.

    Did anyone look at the Seasons neighborhood near Murrells Inlet or spot any other larger 55+ community in the Carolina, as an alternative to Del Webb? One of my concerns with Del Webb is how little customization is available from the developer. I also live in a Pulte house in a non-age restricted neighborhood now, and the construction is not high-quality. Ehhh – maybe it doesn’t matter so much, since when I’m in my 70s or 80s I won’t be able to see the problems LOL.

    by Sharon — April 26, 2015

  195. Has anyone lived in a Cresswind development. My husband and I are going down for a second time to check out the one being built in the Market Commons area of Myrtle Beach, SC. Also I need an opinion of that area. Seems to have exactly what we want but we are still hesitant.

    by Angela miller — April 26, 2015

  196. Elaine – I agree with Bruce about the annual developer fee. Very high! Positives first – Pionte Vedra Beach is just a short drive and it is great! The clubhouse and poiol area is gorgeous! The little Nocatee village is convenient, accessible by golf cart, and visiting children will be in heaven when they see the water park. Negatives in our opinion, no pub or dining facility to meet up with others, no golf course for hubby. And poor quality of construction plus the models are filled with add-ons. You cannot modify the plans with your own choice of materials or specify certain product lines. Please ask to see a house under construction before you buy!
    We also looked at Cascades in World Golf Village but too close to 95 for us – truck noise was constant and loud! Good luck on your travels!

    by SandyZ — April 26, 2015

  197. Angela, I have been to Cresswind at Market Commons several times and found the workmanship and home designs very nice. I have not been in the clubhouse but it is large and looks like it has lots to offer. I especially like the Market Commons area with restaurants, the lakes and, for us, especially the bike paths. The drawback for some is that there is no attached golf course but there are so many in Myrtle Beach that that is not a problem. Good luck in your search…..

    by Dick — April 26, 2015

  198. SandyZ, Bruce and Jim, thanks for info on Ponte Verda.

    by elaine — April 26, 2015

  199. Hi, I would like any info on Brunswick Plantation, and Sandpiper Bay in the Calabash area of North Carolina. Also interested in the Brunswick Forest Plantation near Wilmington. Any feedback will be appreciated. Thanks.

    by sue — April 27, 2015

  200. I see this thread started almost 5 years ago! There is now a Whole Foods in Wilmington 🙂 I just looked it up. So….I am considering St. Simons, GA, Mount Pleasant, SC, Hilton Head, SC and Wilmington, NC. I sell real estate, so I am looking for a strong market. I’m too young to retire but hope to be able to within 10 years. Any new thoughts on these places? Savannah, GA is where I landed after selling my house in the Keys….Savannah, not for me….way too much crime!!! Nice place to visit tho.

    by Elaine Chinnis — June 8, 2015

  201. We are considering moving to the Carolina Arbors in Durham. Any info would be appreciated from people that either live there are know about the community. Thanks.

    by maryann — June 9, 2015

  202. We bought a house in Brunswick Forest 2 years ago and have been renting it out until we retire next year . The community is booming with lots of growth in Leland, and throughout Brunswick county. They are working on some road construction in the area to deal with the growth. There is good medical care in the area and only 15 min to Wilmington. Spend some time in the area!

    by Barbara — June 9, 2015

  203. Sharon, you wanted some input R/T Seasons at Prince Creek in Murrells inlet. My wife and I have been looking along the coast of the Carolina’s now for almost 3 years for a retirement community that best suits our needs. Seasons was right near the top of our list. It is a smaller community that is probably going to be built out this year. Homes are nice with options for individual changes but must buy home and lot together. Can’t just buy the lot and than sit on it without starting to build while waiting for retirement. Had one of the nicest clubhouses/pool areas we have seen anywhere with lots of activities and friendly people. It’s off the main highway, so very quiet but just a short trip to amenities, including all that Myrtle Beach has to offer. Once you got on the highway, it was just a bit too crowded and hectic for us. Decided to buy near the Wilmington NC area as we thought it was a better fit. However would highly recommend doing a tour of Seasons.

    by Gary — June 9, 2015

  204. We are interested in moving to the mountains. Is there any advice, pros or cons from anyone? We would not be looking into a community.
    Thanks for any input!

    by Virginia — June 9, 2015

  205. Thanks Gary. I took a trip out to see it, and would have bought on the spot if I wasn’t two years from retirement :-(. I guess I’ll put it on the list to look for resales when I’m ready to make my move. By then the HOA fees may also be adjusted to reflect the absence of the developer. I’m guessing the amenities are so nice because they were built for a larger community, and when the first developer filed for bankruptcy that some of the property was sold off for one of the neighboring developments. Just guessing though

    That’s the problem with shopping a little earlier than you’re ready to move…you can fall in love with a community, and then have to face whether to buy sooner than desired. Of course, in two years there could be more brand new communities with bells and whistles that will be even better.

    by Sharon — June 10, 2015

  206. Sharon, the likelihood of more bells and whistles communities in two years is much less than the likelihood of your next home costing you 15% more than it does today. If you have to wait, you have to wait. But if you don’t, buy now. You’ll also make money on two years of cost of living savings.

    by Larry — June 10, 2015

  207. We are thinking about moving to De Webb Carolina Arbors in Durham. Any info would be appreciated.

    by maryann — June 10, 2015

  208. interesting about Seasons (Murrells Inlet). I went recently (I was on my way back home and only had time for a quick visit to one community). I didn’t find it friendly at all. I didn’t stay long, just drove around and talked to a few folks and stopped at the sales center. I have never before had that experience in talking to residents. The man at the gate was a bit snooty as well. Too small a sample to say it is unfriendlyand I guess that I would have to revisit if I like the area. Since I still had a little time for a one community visit, I went to Cresswind (Myrtle Beach).. Again too short a time for an evaluation especially after my short stop at the Seasons, but I would go back if I become interested in that general area. Tthe whole area is probably not what I want.

    by elaine — June 10, 2015

  209. This question came in from Richard:

    My wife and I are planning our second pre-retirement trip to North Carolina (Raleigh, Cary, Winston-Salem, Hendersonville) and South Carolina (Greenville)in August. I’m having a difficult time finding real estate agents willing to show us properties and neighborhoods (even though we have a good list of what we want). One agent did get back to us but said she required $100 a day to show us homes and neighborhoods! Is this common? We are looking at three 55+ communities but I’m not sure we want to go this route over living in a single family home in a nice neighborhood. Have any other readers experienced this problem with real estate agents?

    by Admin — June 10, 2015

  210. We recently moved to Elizabeth City North Carolina from Connecticut. Purchased a nice home on the intercostal. Watching the sun come up over the water each morning reaffirms that we made the right choice.

    I’m about 5 years away from retirement and this move seemed like a logical interm step. We didn’t expect to like it as much as we do. The residents are very warm and friendly. We socialize much more than we ever did up north.

    Another couple in the neighborhood just moved up from Georgia to live on the water front. We are an hour from the outer banks but only 50 feet from launching our boat. Definately worth a closer look.

    by Art — June 10, 2015

  211. Larry: I looked at the cost of the HOA fees for 2 years, plus insurance, utilities, taxes, and lost income on the $275,000-$300,000 that it would cost me to purchase a home (or interest, if I got a mortgage). I was clearly at that $10,000 or more a year to buy a retirement home two years’ early. Perhaps if I were to use vacation money against that amount it would be less, but I’m not prepared to give up vacations :-). And I could change my mind about where to live in 2 years, or get hit by a bus! Or I might end up working an extra year, which could be the equivalent of getting hit by a bus. Admittedly I’d be tempted to leap if I was even a year closer, but the finances for buying that far out just didn’t work for me.

    I understand why a realtor would want some money for spending time with someone who may just be checking out an area. Time is money, and if the realtor is doing the driving there’s wear & tear on her/his vehicle plus gas. Especially in retirement areas, the realtors may be burned out with people who are just trying to figure out their future plans.

    I was probably on the same road-trip as Elaine! I also looked at Cresswind-Ponds, but it didn’t feel right to me. I didn’t like the home designs that much, and the cost per sq. foot seemed a little high. It just wasn’t a Wow for me.

    Elizabeth City sounds really nice. How is homeowners insurance on the intercoastal? I had been focusing on S. Carolina because of the slightly lower real estate taxes and gas taxes, but the N. Carolina coast/hour of coast area will be my next road trip.

    by Sharon — June 11, 2015

  212. Re: 100/day to,pay a realtor. Having been a realtor, the $100 eliminates the time wasters. Realtors are not tour guides and the busy agents don’t have time for it. Perhaps you can find a newer agent that may be willing to donate their time.

    Being an agent is very expensive. Not many careers where you are expected to work for free.

    by Tori — June 11, 2015

  213. Richard: We have looked at areas, communities and houses in Wilmington, Leland and Calabash, NC; from MB to Pawleys Island, SC and Palm Coast and Flagler Beach, FL.Realtors have been extraordinary. We’ve been taken to lunch and dinner and tried to pay and were refused every time. In Palm Coast, our realtor had a commitment for our last available day, got us another realtor who was wonderful as well.

    by Richard — June 11, 2015

  214. We are looking to retire to Pawley’s Island, SC. We have vacationed there for the last two years. We like the location, but we have only visited in late May and the weather has been great. Can some that is living there or lived there give me some pros and cons on the area?

    by Herman — June 11, 2015

  215. I just found my dream home in Elizabeth City, but I’ve read that there are serious economic and gang issues there. Can anyone address that?

    by Liz — June 11, 2015

  216. Tori,
    Sorry, but I must disagree that real estate agents should charge for their time just because their work with a customer may not result in a sale. Would you pay a shoe salesman to go back and forth to the stockroom for you if you decided you didn’t like any of the shoes? The commission rate on the buyer side of any property sale is high enough that if you “waste” your time on one or two customers, then you will make it up with your next sale. Real estate agents can do a better job of qualifying the intent of customers before they take them out to look at properties. I work with three dozen Realtors on the east coast and not a single one charges potential buyers a fee to show them around.

    by Larry — June 12, 2015

  217. I will be moving/retiring to Charleston (West Ashley) from Atlanta in the near future. We are having a house built in Bolton’s Landing. As I grew up on nearby James Island, I am familiar with Charleston. I am however wondering if anybody has any information on Bolton’s Landing. I will be a Federal retiree, and unfortunately, SC does tax federal pensions (I am 59), which is pretty much my main concern. That and a higher than average cost of housing. Any advice, comments would be appreciated.

    by RicknATL — June 13, 2015

  218. I think its difficult to expect a realtor to show people around without knowing you will be buying a property. With this said
    My husband and I take the time to see different communities through open houses. I know that is only a day or two.
    But to look around a neighborhood (especially gated areas) it allows freedom to talk to a variety of realtors where you can get valuable information on a number of issues.

    by LIndaF — June 15, 2015

  219. we are 71 & 69. visited upstate SC 6 weeks ago. between Greenville, greer, Easley
    and Simpsonville which town do you vote for. anyone know how much the HOAS cost.
    going again to look in oct. besides heat june-sept any negatives ?

    by john v — June 16, 2015

  220. Any thoughts on Asheville? Looking for a cultural community, not too expensive, not too hot, fairly liberal and convenient for visitors. Am I asking for too much?

    by Nancy G — June 16, 2015

  221. Art, did you move into a community in Elizabeth city? I also am looking close to the obx, within 2hrs, or in the obx although I hear high season is really congested. Will be checking out Albemarle in late July, along with a community in Rocky mount, NC as close enough and also close enough to Raleigh to benefit from the exceptional medical care there. Those don’t work it will be New Bern,NC and then down to Wilmington area and Southport although I think I might like the obx more than the Carolina beach. And then Summerville,SC although not wild about Chs,and it’s deadly heat and humidity in summer.

    by susan — June 16, 2015

  222. Susan,

    Like any major tourist destination, OBX is not the place to be if you are a local during the summer. We moved to a single family house on the waterfront, 4 miles south of Elizabeth City. Art

    by Art — June 16, 2015

  223. Liz,

    We’ve been vacationing in the Elizabeth City area for 20 years prior to purchasing. Can’t say that I’m aware of any gangs. The area does have its economic challenges but like a lot of the country, it’s slowly coming back.


    by Art — June 16, 2015

  224. Sharon,

    As we’ve experienced, it does cost more to live on the water. The prior owners lost their 110 foot dock in the late 90s during hurricane. That’s it for any major storm damage in 20 years. Living across the street from the water might be the best bang for the buck. We also really liked the Wilmington area. Art

    by Art — June 16, 2015

  225. Thanks Art. Will check out Edenton but as a single, believe my best bet is a newer subdivision or 55+ community. I would prefer the waterfront (sound or ocean) but may settle for that with a condo as a 2nd home. Was just trying to get it all in one. OBX can be brutal in winter as well so being on the mainland is undoubtedly the way to go although I hate to admit it.

    by susan — June 17, 2015

  226. Planning to visit Elizabeth City and Herford, NC for senior rentals.
    What is OBX? Other suggestions?
    Moving South

    by CWBirch — June 17, 2015

  227. Re: Greenville SC etc question. Greenville downtown is thriving, noisy, busy and fun. But besides the summer heat, the winters can be cooler than you might think. Not Chicago cold and don’t think they get snow at all, but do get ice storms which shut things down for a few hours. Just something to check out. If you are looking for warmer winters that might not be the place. Warmer than the north but not anywhere near FL warmth.

    by Carol — June 17, 2015

  228. Thanks Art – I’m also looking in Edenton.

    by Liz — June 17, 2015

  229. thanks carol . anything negative besides the weather about greer or Simpsonville sc
    now live in ny so it looked like paradise. but I know there is no utopia . thanks.

    by john v — June 18, 2015

  230. I was a realtor in a large metro area for 10 years.

    A realtor probably would not object to showing property if they knew they had a potential sale even somewhere in the future. However, why would anyone take a day of their time driving you around looky louing around to gain knowledge of the area. For the person who deals with 3 dozen agents!! what on earth do they do for you? I can’t imagine so many agents doing work for you and only one of them might get paid. Maybe you receive listings available from them which can be automatically done from their systems.

    Open houses are definitely the way to go although they are usually only one day a week.

    It would be a great idea for areas that are marketing to retirees for the city to have people on staff to conduct tours, maybe some real estate agents could be paid or volunteer to do these tours as they would hopefully have knowledge of the area.

    by Vicki — June 18, 2015

  231. Jim, nothing else negative about those areas. I have a relative who lived near downtown Greenville but bought a new house in Greer. They like it there and will move full time there in the future. Right now still in the north part time. There is traffic though. Apparently we can’t get away from that. If it weren’t too cold to suit my husband we wouldn’t be looking all over the south and would have moved to Greenville too. I haven’t seen Greer downtown yet.

    Idea above from Vicki is a great idea for retirement communities to give tours of the surrounding area. Citrus Hills in northwestern FL does give a van tour of the surrounding towns and it is a wonderful idea. It isn’t quite enough just to see the models and amenities. Even retirees still have to shop for groceries, use the Post Office, gas stations, etc. etc. Many 55+ areas seem to be in the middle of nowhere and you are left wondering how you would conduct life outside the community. We look at libraries also (imagine that?!). If we have to search too hard to find more than one supermarket it is a turnoff because it seems to mean not much else is around either. It will be in the future I’m sure, but how long to wait? Perhaps they don’t want you to see the traffic, something we will have to accept.

    by Carol — June 18, 2015

  232. CWBirch, OBX is short for the Outer Banks area of the Eastern North Carolina coast. The beaches are amazing and I feel that’s it’s an ideal family vacation spot.


    by Art — June 18, 2015

  233. Thanks, Art, for OBX definition. I gather the traffic is also heavy in season?

    by CWBirch — June 19, 2015

  234. CWBirch, Re: OBX inseason traffic. Yes, the traffic going over the causeway on Sat & Sun is pretty bad due to the rental business. Two main roads in OBX can be pretty congested during high season but the locals know how to get around it and what days to shop to avoid the crowds in the stores. It is as Art said an ideal family vacation spot but it has also started to attract a large number of retired full time residents. The hospital is fairly new and expanded and provides excellent care, best I have seen. Many medical practices have sprung up to cater to the increasing number of retirees relocating there, They have everything one could want or need from the souvenir shops to office supplies and a department store, Food Lion and Harris Teeter supermarkets, a KMart, Lowes, numerous fresh fish markets, some better than others, even an outlet mall, numerous post offices, great vet facilities if you have pets, golf courses, a good Y or so I am told, deep sea fishing, surf fishing, etc on the ocean and the sound offers great opportunity for kayaking, windsurfing, etc. There are areas that seem to attract the full time residents more than other areas and housing is somewhat reasonable (off the water that is). There is a certain ambience to the place that you feel once you go over the causeway. It’s a very casual lifestyle. No one seems to care who you are or how much money you make or made. Everyone is the same and I have found nothing but very friendly and open people on my numerous trips (although all in off season). You are about an hour and a half to the Hampton Roads area of VA including Norfolk, VA Beach, etc for a major airport, I think about 2 hours from Raleigh, 3 hrs from Richmond, VA. Summers can be hot and humid and winters can be tough because of the biting wind, but both are short with great weather during the longer Spring and Fall seasons. Snow is uncommon although you can get some. Hurricanes are a threat but they can be a threat anywhere along the coast and even inland. It just comes with the territory. As you can see I am quite partial to the place. Haven’t moved there yet but so far it’s #1 on my list. I might suggest renting a place for a week in off season to get a feel for the place and then a week inseason to see if you can survive the influx of vacationers. The one thing I would say is that if you are looking for theater and other cultural opportunities, the OBX would not be the place to go for that.

    by susan — June 21, 2015

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  236. I will love to move out of Florida and have been doing research in the Carolinas,for my retirement in about four years.I have a job opportunity in Anderson S.C. It looks like a very nice city but when I did research the crime rate it’s very high for a small city.Can anybody give me any information about Anderson.Ileana

    by Ileana — July 3, 2015

  237. Chapel hill is really nice to place to live in US and there are lot of real estate agents which are proving these homes. But cost of these homes looking very high as given in this post so it will be good to buy home now because in future it will not be possible to get those homes.

    by David — July 16, 2015

  238. NC is better. It’s southern but on the whole not deep southern, as is SC, though if Deep South is hat you wanr, you can find plenty of that in parts of eastern NC. Much more geographical diversity in NC. True, there’s no Charleston in NC, but Wilmington is an interesting and historical coastal city, as are smaller towns such as New Bern, Beaufort, and Edenton. Mountains offer everything from luxury, high-end retirement centers to rustic. backwoods cabins. The Piedmont crescent which stretches from Raleigh to Charlotte is destined to become a major urban corridor. . . As for flora and fauna, anything which grows from southern Canada to northern Florida can be found growing somewhere in NC.

    by Francis R. Hodges — July 16, 2015

  239. My wife and I are from CT and we’re finishing up a week of investigating our retirement options in the Wilmington, NC area. My wife has been in communication with a realtor here for about 6 months through email discussing different homes we may be interested in. Our agent was SUPER! Not only did she take us to 5 places that we had researched from drive-bys, internet searches and email suggestions by her, but she made an appointment to try and get us into a condo that we found the night before, after viewing 4 places she arranged for us! She didn’t bat an eye – just said, “Not sure what we’ll find since I didn’t have time to look up the comps but if I can get us in, no problem”. That’s what I consider a top notch agent.

    Our plan is based on a 5-7 year time frame before we could move anywhere and our original search was for a single family home but after three days of Open Houses and looking at different neighborhoods we shifted gears completely to considering a condo as an investment property until we can move here, that didn’t affect our realtor one bit. She put us in contact with a mortgage company rep that was able to pre-approve us for any purchase we desired by the end of the day.

    While on this trip we visited a friend of mine in the Hampsted/Surf CIty area, about a half hour east of Wilmington, that moved there 11 years ago from San Diego and has never regretted the move. He and his family (3 kids) live a very short drive from the inter-coastal where he launched his boat and took us on a tour of Topsail Island and out to Key Island where we beached the boat and walked along a DESERTED beach, simply amazing. They can paddleboard and kayak with dolphins and other sea animals and fish to their hearts content. Homes in the area are reasonable, many on 1/2 acre lots, unlike the clear cut land and developments happening in other areas west of Wilmington. The infrastructure is building up with new businesses popping up each year, they loved it.

    We also visited a relative in Murrells Inlet, SC. It was very nice, they own a condo off Tournament Boulevard. Nice community but traffic was horrible. We spent a wonderful half day (noon to about 4:30) driving around the area and having lunch but when it was time to leave. Holly crap! The traffic backed up heading north on Rt 17 to get to the Rt 31 bypass was two lanes of bumper to bumper headache. We turned around and tried the “back road” directions from her relative and that was almost as congested. Seems like they are over populated for the roads which are under development for widening. It was a no sell to us, granted it is peak season but we have not experienced anything of that nature in Wilmington. We are not ready to make a decision yet as to what we want to do but we board a plan for home in about 14 hours with a wealth of knowledge, ideas of where we may want to live and some great connections for making the process easier. Met so many great people here and many from New England that encouraged us to make the transition. Now if only we could win the lottery…

    by JW — July 24, 2015

  240. Hubby is retiring in 2 years and we are looking into NC or SC. We currently live in PA. We want a slower pace of living and he loves the water. I am very confused where to go. I should have started this retirement search years ago..LOL

    by Susan — September 8, 2015

  241. Susan, where in PA are you living now. Your husband loves water but is it the ocean or lake living? We are Erie natives and live in Wilmington, on the coast but if I had a choice, I would live on a lake. Another question is how touristy you want it. There is much difference between Myrtle Beach and Wilmington even though they are only 70 miles apart. Two years should be long enough…..

    by Dick — September 9, 2015

  242. Hi Dick, I am also named Susan and live in the Harrisburg Pa area. My husband and I are interested in the Wilmington Sunset Beach area. We are most interested in insurance costs and medical care since I had a heart attack a few years ago. We have looked at several communities and particularly like Sandpiper Bay, Waterford and Brunswick. Any feedback will be appreciated. Thanks again.

    by sue — September 10, 2015

  243. Hi Dick we are going to visit the Wilmington NC area in November. We were thinking about the Leland area. We visited Myrtle Beach area twice and decided we did not want to live there. Do you know anything about Leland? If we were going to Myrtle Beach, we would choose to go south around Surfside. Better schools and lower crime. We do not have school age children but usually when there is top school scores it is a better area to live.

    by BernieD — September 10, 2015

  244. Hi Bernie, My husband and I bought a house in Brunswick Forest over two years ago. The Leland area is booming, Brunswick Forest has at least 10 different neighborhoods all with different style houses in a 4500 acre community, with plenty of amenities. It is a beautiful area and close to Wilmington which is a charming old time city. Take some time and visit the area!

    by Barbara — September 11, 2015

  245. Barbara, Thank you! Some one else also mentioned Brunswick Forest. We will definitely take the time to check it out.

    by BernieD — September 12, 2015

  246. Having visited and published reviews about Brunswick Forest, I concur with the positive sentiments. The community has the extra benefit of being financially stable, backed by a big money investment firm (Lord Baltimore) that has partnered effectively with local developers. Brunswick Forest skated through the recession pretty much unscathed, and they smartly built their amenities early (excellent golf course, fitness center, strip mall at entrance) so as not to make promises they might not keep. Home prices are very reasonable and for that and the other reasons, BF is probably the fastest growing golf community on the east coast. Of course, that can be a mixed blessing as traffic builds on Highway 17 just outside the entrance but, on balance, and dollar for dollar, this is one of the best golf communities of the 150 I have visited personally over the last 10 years.

    by Larry — September 12, 2015

  247. But what if golfing is not your sport? I am looking for a place where you could walk to restaurants, shops etc. In South or North Carolina. Any suggestions,

    by Paulette Hinaman — September 13, 2015

  248. Just got back from Chapel Hill and Davidson, NC. Both are walkable and very nice.

    by Diane — September 14, 2015

  249. What about the tax advantage between SC and NC? My wife and I currently live in NC but like to retire in SC. What would be the tax advantage if any?

    by Tommy Fletch — September 14, 2015

  250. To Paulette Hinaman
    Check out The Market Commons in Myrtle Beach. We just contracted to have a house built in the Cresswind development. There is walking, biking, shopping, restaurants, movies, entertainment and 1.6 miles from the beach.

    by Angela miller — September 15, 2015

  251. Paulette, I want something similar, but not found it. I am not a beach person and although Ihave golfed in the past, it is not a top priority for my retirement because of cost and only mild interest in the game…not where I want to spend my money. However both beach and golf seem to bring some walkability to an area.

    PS. I looked at Cresswind in Myrtle Beach and agree with the poster. about the Market Commons. It doesn’t have much in the way of dog sports in the area but it is something for you to look at.

    by elaine — September 15, 2015

  252. To Paulette and others, you will find “walkable” communities under the New Urbanism banner. If you want to see a list of such communities in North and South Carolina, check out this link: http://www.carolinaliving.com/green/urbanism.asp#list

    by Larry — September 15, 2015

  253. We are getting ready to visit Savannah Lakes Village in McCormick, SC to look for a place to call home. We have a vacation home in NY that we plan to keep and stay during the summer months, May – September. Can anyone provide us with information about this community? The cost of a small home is very affordable but the area looks to be a little far out with not a lot to do outside of the community. Any information good or bad would be great. Thanks, Bob

    by Bob & Barb — September 21, 2015

  254. Bob, please post your impressions afterwards. We’ve never been but visiting after football season ends. We live in SC, and this is what I know (although I’ve never been to McCormick). As you wrote, it is remote but I believe that you’re activities would be centered right in the community. It is a pay-for-play all-age community that revolves around boating & golf with hiking trails in the nearby park. Monthly fees are approx. 100.00 per month. Compared to Charleston (where we live) you get a lot of house, square footage wise, for your money. Also, a far cry from the cookie-cutter tract home developments most 55 plus communities we have looked at are. One of the concerns is the availability of medical care in the area. The nearest cities are Augusta, GA and Columbia, SC, each about an hour away. Good luck with your visit!

    by Alice — September 22, 2015

  255. To Bob, Barb, Alice and any others with an interest in Savannah Lakes Village in McCormick, SC, I have visited there twice, played both golf courses (a couple of times) and posted articles about the community at my web site. Here’s one from earlier this year that might be helpful: http://www.golfcommunityreviews.com/archives/articles-by-category/south-carolina/15-south-carolina/3418-free-golf-membership-and-low-home-prices-at-savannah-lakes-village.html? Yes, it is remote, but the large size of the community and its roster of amenities is a lure to stay on site for most activities. As Alice indicates, the quality of healthcare does not match communities closer to urban areas, but for a generally healthy couple looking for the full boat of amenities at ridiculously low prices (comparatively speaking), this is a great choice. I just did a quick scan of homes for sale there in the $200K to $300K range, and a good number are priced at less than $100 per square foot. And for just a $100 initial fee, both golf courses and all the other amenities are available. Greenwood, SC, is about a half hour away and offers most of the services one would want/need (even a few better-than-average restaurants).

    by Larry — September 22, 2015

  256. Thank you to Alice and Larry for the information. I did call the local medical facility in Greenwood and they do take our insurance. I will post information from our visit in December when we return back to NY. Thanks again!

    by Bob & Barb — September 22, 2015

  257. Just a couple of thoughts about dueling Carolinas and real estate

    Buddy of mine works for a company that has an office in North Carolina and he was inquiring about a transfer from Connecticut. He asked some of the people where they lived and a very high percentage said South Carolina because it was cheaper to live.

    I recently sold a property and Zillow estimates were way off due to the way they sample. I learned from my realtor the website realtor.com is much more accurate to market conditions.

    by BernieD — September 24, 2015

  258. Bernie, Thanks for the tips. Can you tell us where in South Carolina people are living.

    by Roseann — September 25, 2015

  259. Roseann

    The office is in Charlotte, NC. I don’t know exactly where in SC, but I am betting it in the corner of SC closest to Charlotte. Fort Mill, Rock Hill and Lake Wylie are some of the towns in SC about 35 minutes to Charlotte,

    by BernieD — September 25, 2015

  260. Bernie D, thanks so much!

    by Roseann — September 26, 2015

  261. Hello all … about NC. I have heard that before moving to North Carolina it is wise to check the quality of the water due to all the pig farming run-off that has possibly compromised/contaminated the water in some areas. Does anyone else have any further information about this? I love NC and would love to hear any comments, good or bad, about this beautiful state. Thanks.

    by Patte — September 27, 2015

  262. Moved to Charlotte for work a year ago. I chose to buy a house over the border in S.C., about 26 miles from downtown Charlotte. Benefits: My real estate taxes are about $2K, instead of about $4.5K in NC for the same house-value. Income taxes were slightly higher, but not enough to really matter (but I had to do both SC and NC taxes). Personal tax on would have been the same (about $400). I fill my gas tank in SC, which is around $1.87 now (about 40 cents a gallon cheaper than NC, last time I looked). No car inspection, unlike N.C. No driver’s test when I switched my registration. Negatives: Traffic. Traffic is really awful to go anywhere, whether it’s going up the road to the mall over the border in N.C., or going to work. I’ve gotten used to trying to enjoy XM or books on tape. Drivers are pretty bad. I see accidents almost every day (almost like driving on the turnpike in Boston or in NY). Very conservative (first question is what church you attend, radio political ads might make your skin crawl depending on your politics). Weather is ok with me. I’ve seen those temp signs outside banks higher than 100′ in the summer, but you just move slower and do your exercise early in the morning or at night. There were about 6-8 weeks of winter when temps dropped down to 30s in Jan-Feb. I’ve seen 3 different kinds of snakes in my yard, which is new to me. There’s new construction EVERYWHERE, so population density is only going to increase. It’s been hard to find good landscapers, painters, cleaning services, handymen, etc., and they’re not cheap. There’s a large hispanic population that performs many of these services. I suspect costs for this stuff are high since there are so many jobs in the new construction. There are lots of festivals, sports, and things to do. Overall, this is an attractive area to consider if you want to be close enough to a city to enjoy city life, but still have a good cost of living and temperate climate.

    by Ted — September 28, 2015

  263. We just returned from Wilmington NC. Looking to move to that area from NY. Leland and Winnabow seemed like very nice places to retire. Is it best to rent and make sure we like the area?

    by Carol Seifert — September 28, 2015

  264. Patte, unless you live “out in the country”, hog farming is not an issue with water. I live in Wilmington which is down river from many farms but our water is excellent. I don’t think you should be concerned.

    by Dick — September 28, 2015

  265. Carol, I also heard that Leland is a nice place to live I have a friend moving there very soon.

    Dick, we are going to be in Wilmington in November to look to see if we want to live there. We are looking to rent for at least a year. Any advice on where or not to rent. How is the public transportation in the Wilmington area?

    by BernieD — September 28, 2015

  266. Patte: I agree with Dick about the hog, turkey or chicken farms in NC, there is not an issue unless you live out in the country. You can also look at Google earth at an area you are considering to see what is around

    by Angela — September 29, 2015

  267. We retired in Wilmington in July after considering Lewes/Rehoboth DE, Knoxville TN, and Austin TX. Being a relative newbie I can’t pretend to be an expert, but so far, so good. Love the easy beach access! Our main goals were to escape snow and reduce cost of living a bit, and not be TOO far from our family in the northern VA/DC metro area. Found a fabulous realtor and jumped right in. Wilmington is big enough that it has Trader Joe’s, Whole Foods, etc, but small enough that nothing is more than 10 or so minutes away. I’ve seen buses so there’s some public transportation (Ride the Wave!) but it isn’t everywhere – they do have a web page with more info. Wilmington seems to be making an effort to make things more walkable with new trails and crosswalks. Traffic is a vast improvement over the DC area, but everyone here thinks it’s bad (there are a few minor bottlenecks). I don’t know much about rentals, but there seem to be plenty of apartment and condo units around. It takes time to figure out the best place for you because there are lots of areas to choose from. We did lots of online research and our realtor was extremely helpful.

    by Judy M — September 29, 2015

  268. Dick, thanks for your comments. I would still caution people to do a “search” about the safety of drinking water in NC and not just about animal farming, but also Coal Ash mining. However, like you mentioned about “living out in the county” near places like these it may be less of a concern. Although no place is perfect, I do believe it’s a good idea to check out as much as possible before relocating to any state and having safe drinking water is so important. By the way, I have nothing against NC and I have been there many times and especially love the Wilmington area and all that it offers, just make sure they are always providing safe drinking water for everyone.

    by Patte — September 29, 2015

  269. Check out The Villages in Motts Landing, Wilmington, NC. Houses built for retires, one section not gated, low HOA, club house, retires, friendly.

    by Flo — October 1, 2015

  270. update, NC changed income tax laws JANUARY 2015. did not see that coming. previously 90% of our retirement income was exempt from NC. now 100%, except SS, is taxable. need to execute PLAN B. visited ALABAMA, MISSISSIPPI & TENNESSEE for 3 weeks of LOOKY SEE DATA COLLECTION. liked TENN, but did not fall in love. going to SC for more options. as a point of discussion, I scan the comments section for shared opinions. here in WAKE COUNTY NC, I have been introduced to a CULTURE CLASH, that others refer to on this blog. in its simplest terms, it is a NORTH vs SOUTH underling issue. not sure there is a cure, but it is uncomfortable, in many social settings. people are just different and it will take serious effort to fit into the group. when I read “it is hard to make friends”, I think I understand what they are trying to say. it is true here in WAKE COUNTY NC. GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE’S SEARCHING.

    by davefh — October 31, 2015

  271. Daveth. I know what you’re saying about the culture clash. We lived in TN for 15 yrs while both of us were still working and found out the civil war is still being fought. We both worked in professional jobs and we never thought it would ever be that bad but it was. We lived and worked in Franklin, TN (very nice area) and never thought it would be that way. As soon as we were both retired, we left and came back home to Mich. I know snow and cold – but really consider a move toTN really well before you make such a decision. My husband, now deceased, always said the snow melts but the ignorance and resentment after all these years (his words) don’t. We found that FL was the only state that the people meshed really well. Make many trips before you decide. Some of the friends we did make say come here to TN = it’s cheaper to live here than Mich = true but it takes more than saving a few bucks to be happy the rest of your life. Good Luck

    by jeb — November 1, 2015

  272. Jen and Davefh, what you say is essentially true about culture clash. However, if you move to a fairly large planned community, chances are residents will be mostly from somewhere else, like you, not local, and you should be welcomed and feel at home. There is something to be said for being in the same boat (or community).

    by Larry — November 1, 2015

  273. I’m sorry folks but if you expect to move to the South and bring the North with you, you are quite mistaken. It is amazing the number of people who move here from NY, NJ or other northeastern states who think they can change my city. If you want it to be “like it was up North”, then, stay up North. I have lived here for 25 years and the influx of people from the North just won’t stop. I agree that people should check out an area before moving there but don’t think you can change it. Many people move from an area because they don’t like it but as soon as they move, they try to change the new area into the old area. It just isn’t going to happen.

    By the way, Wake county is probably more liberal and North acting than most counties in NC.

    by Dick — November 1, 2015

  274. I lived in Mississippi for 11 years. The Gulf Coast is a wonderful area and I loved it so much. It has the laid back feel that you would expect from the South. Fantastic restaurants and of course the casinos. I wasn’t into the casinos because that is where I worked all of my adult life but for people who like it, there are plenty to choose from and more on the way. I lived in Biloxi, Ocean Springs and finally Gulfport. Biloxi is old time MS with historical buildings, seafood restaurants and that is where the casinos are mostly located. Ocean Springs MS is an artist community, quiet and quaint with a beautiful little downtown area full of eclectic little shops. Gulfport MS is a bustling city and I see that crime has started to creep in. The best part, in my opinion, of living on the Gulf Coast is the proximity to so many things to do. You can go to Mobile Al, Orange Beach, AL and Gulf Shores AL or Perdido Key FL in no time. You also have New Orleans to the west and Memphis TN to the north. There is always something to do.

    by Shelley — November 1, 2015

  275. Thank you Dick for your comments regarding north vs south. We are having a home built in the Cresswind community in Myrtle Beach and will be moving from Ct. The older I get the more disgusted I get with the rudeness in my own home state. I have not found that as we travel south. I am amazed at the politeness of the youth in SC. I recently was screamed at by a BRAT in Ct when he felt I did not hold a door open long enough for him. He should have held it for me. The last thing we intend to do is bring the north with us. I was never more comfortable when visiting the south. Don’t ever change!!!

    by Angela miller — November 1, 2015

  276. AMEN Dick!! No truer words written. And Jeb, you lived in the most affluent part of the State. Yes there are many people in Williamson County, TN (Franklin) that think they are “above it all”. But not all Tennesseans are like that. Far from it. They will give you the shirt off their back. No matter where you come from. So to anyone contemplating a TN retirement, do not hesitate.

    by DebbieM — November 1, 2015

  277. I married a southern girl and I am a northern boy. Northerners speak their mind and Southerners watch their tongues. I learned to bite my tongue and she learned to speak up. Love conquers all. Retirement is about change, accepting change, like a marriage, it takes work. Remember the Golden Rule and Blessing on your choices.

    by DeyErmand — November 1, 2015

  278. Does anyone know about a community near Charlotte called Edgewater? It’s right over the border near Lancaster, SC. We have been there several times-beautiful golf course, homes on a lake. Builder is True Homes, and they have a 55+ section as well. But over the past few years we haven’t seen much building going on. It’s out in the boonies a bit, but with the Charlotte area real estate market booming, you would think there would be more construction activity. It seems like a nice place to live, but we feel uneasy because there hasn’t been much done over the past few years. Anyone have any information?

    by scsharks — November 1, 2015

  279. We are beginning our search for a place to retire (in about 5-7 years), and have seen a lot of good things about Asheville, NC and Greenville, SC. We love the outdoors and like to hike everyday with our dogs, good restaurants, a nice downtown with a “small” town feel, eclectic little shops – concerts, festivals, etc.

    Can anyone comment on the pro’s and con’s of each? TY!

    by JoannP — November 1, 2015

  280. My wife and I are considering moving to North Carolina. We are trying to gather info on the tax status for the retired,as we are both retired. I collect a pension and we both collect SS. Are these both taxed? We are looking at the South Western part of the state

    by john — November 1, 2015

  281. Bless your heart Dick for finally saying what I’ve been wanting to say but didn’t have the nerve. But now that I’ve gotten this far I would like to add one more thing — I was really offended by someone’s use of the term “redneck”. I thought these kinds of offensive words were a thing of the past.

    by Alice — November 2, 2015

  282. Regards to Dick. People from the north or midwest do not expect southerners to change to the north or eastern ways it’s just the misconception that southerners are warm and accepting. . Enough said about this. I’ll visit but not live!!!!!! People do your homework well!!!!!!

    by jeb — November 2, 2015

  283. does anyone have any info or experience with EASTWOOD HOMES builder in NC or SC
    pros or cons . thinking of relocating in the upstate of SC and he is building there
    in about 6 sites in Simpsonville SC . thanks .

    by john v — November 2, 2015

  284. Alice for some reason the offensive term “redneck” is deemed ok to use. The person who used this term is probably not going to be happy when he/she moves. And then they will post on this board that Southerners really aren’t nice and friendly.

    by Debra — November 2, 2015

  285. I’m a Southern girl who has lived many years in the North and in the West. I am definitely of the “New South” in that I am open-minded toward all peoples and their lifestyles, as long as they don’t hurt others. I’m moving back to AR to be near family, some who are liberal and some who are conservative, but I am moving back to a college town. In my experience, they tend to be more liberal – if you’re looking for that – due to all different kinds of students at the university, including those from other countries. People become accustomed to those who are different from them. It all takes time. I remember things from my youth that were definitely Old South, and I’m sure they still exist today. Remember, though, intolerance is everywhere in this country. We only need to be current with the news to see that. When I go home, I’ll take what I’ve learned and become from living in other parts of the country, and I hope it enhances where I live – not in the “this is how we do it in AZ” sense, but as a contribution to support good things that are already in process.

    by Elaine C. — November 2, 2015

  286. To john and others who have questions regarding how states tax pensions, Social Security, etc., please check out the link to Kiplinger – http://www.kiplinger.com/tool/retirement/T055-S001-state-by-state-guide-to-taxes-on-retirees/
    Personally, although my wife and I recently relocated to the Raleigh, NC area from OH for her job (I retired in January), and love the area and people, once she retires, we’ll be moving to GA, FL or TX due to their more favorable tax treatment of retiree income.

    by DavidS — November 2, 2015

  287. Angela Miller, I have visited Cresswind several times. It is a very nice community and the Market Common area is outstanding. You made a good choice.

    by Dick — November 2, 2015

  288. We choses SC. We have visited HIlton Head Island for many years, and thought we would retire at Sun City, Hilton Head. Had done a lot of research on both new and resale homes, but knew that we could not make the committment for a few years until we got closer to retiring.

    We found Hilton Head Lakes, just down the road from Sun City. Beautiful community, still in the building stages. It used to be a Traditions community, but has been bought out, and rebranded as HHL. Debt free, low HOA’s, golf course, and miles of lakes.

    We were able to buy the lot, and hold off building until it gets closer to retirement. So excited about the future. 20 minutes to Hilton Head Island; 25 minutes to Savannah; 3 miles to I95; and 1 hour to Charleston.

    by Pauline — November 2, 2015

  289. Alice, I’m truly sorry. I have used the term, “redneck”, not realizing it is offensive. Just thinking it described a certain type of person regardless of location. My very closest friends are from three Southern states and use this term, so i figured it was okay. Thanks for speaking up, i’ll cast it out of my vocabulary.

    by ella — November 3, 2015

  290. I appreciate it Ella. Best of luck with your search.

    by Alice — November 3, 2015

  291. Alice, you made me smile with your “bless your heart” expression!

    Thanks from someone who has lived in both the north and the south and discovered that for me comfort is more rural vs urban issue.

    by elaine — November 3, 2015

  292. My wife and I both have leaved in New York for 40 years just came back from Florida looking for our retirement home for 2 weeks . We decided to move to Florida for the main reason that my wife has relatives there ,and we feel more comfortable to retire in a state that at list know someone . We own a lot in Albemarle Plantation a very nice gaited golf community in the water near Elisabeth city NC.We just put it for sale to help us for the new purchase. When in Florida we visited many communities and stay and play in some of them. Trilogy in Orlando ,Valencia lakes and Sun City in Tampa, Arlington Ridge in Leasburg, The Villages in Ocala ,Cresswind at Victoria gardens near Deland , Ponte Vedra and Sweetwater by Dell Webb in Jacksonville. if any body is interesting in any of those communities and want my opinion I will be glad to answer any questions

    by chris dedes — November 4, 2015

  293. Chris, did either or both of the DelWebb communities and Cresswind have a capital buy-in cost? Also for these three communities what was the range of of HOA Fees and amenities?

    Which one or several are on your short list?

    by elaine — November 4, 2015

  294. As lifetime CA residents, we retired to NC a couple of years ago. We live in Western North Carolina about half way between Asheville, NC and Greenville, SC (about 45 minutes to an hour each way). We live in Brevard, NC in a community called Connestee Falls. What a wonderful place at about 3000 ft. elevation in the Blue Ridge Mountains. I can’t say enough positive things about all aspects of living here. I love the culture, people are so friendly and we have made so many friends. We love the incredible beauty of the area and the many places that we can hike. So many things to do including fishing, golf and many events to develop relationships with other people. Brevard is a wonderful small town with unlimited things to do so many free events, particularly related to music. There is a wonderful new library and lots of charitable and volunteer opportunities. Brevard meets most of our needs for everyday shopping with all other things available by driving to Asheville, Hendersonville or Greenville, S.C (all less than an hour away by car). We like using the Greenville Airport and also the Asheville Airport for trips. We can not believe how easy it has been to leave a nice home and friends in CA. I can’t imagine leaving this area since it fulfills all of our needs and wants for this final happy and active phase of life. One more thing that is refreshing………….God is still alive in the South. Christianity and prayer are looked at as ‘normal’ unlike the restraint in admission or discussion we experienced in CA.
    We highly recommend Brevard, NC as the ‘Best Place to Retire’!

    by John H. — November 4, 2015

  295. Bravo, John H. Glad you found the right place for you .

    by Dick — November 5, 2015

  296. Elaine ponde vedra has CDD fees Sweetwater doesn’t . HOA fees are about $500. Cresswind doesn’t have HOA fees . HOA fees are about $370.

    by chris dedes — November 5, 2015

  297. Elaine I meant Cresswind doesn’t have CDD fees

    by chris dedes — November 5, 2015

  298. John H…as a NC native and previous Asheville resident I appreciated your review of Connestee Falls. It was beautifully written and did the area justice! How wonderful that you’ve found the best place for you. We’re hoping to head back that way in a few years. (And I’m so glad you like us North Carolinians!)

    by Nancy — November 5, 2015

  299. John H. Can you tell me about the weather through out the year in Brevard? It sounds like a wonderful place to retire!

    by JoannP — November 5, 2015

  300. Chris, What did you think of Trilogy Orlando? Did you have a chance to talk to any residents there to see what they had to say? Like Elaine, I’d be interested to know if any of the places you visited made your short list and if they did, what you liked about them. Thanks.

    by Tessa — November 5, 2015

  301. Tessa . Trilogy is a very nice community with one of the best club house I have ever seen . Prices are reasonable and houses are nice . People that I talked to they generally happy there . Is a little far from stores and my wife doesn’t drive so that’s a problem for me . Also I realize that the lots they have now is low down the valley and I did not like that. Later as they expend they will have lots higher .Ponde vedra , Sweetwater and Valencia lakes I like very much . Out of the 3 Valencia lakes is my favorite for different reasons, but they a little pricy. Community is very nice with open spaces and lakes. Almost every house has a lake view. Quality of homes are good and attached villas about 1500sq feet start at 225.000 . with extras about 260.000 . I did not like that they charge you for closing fees about $5000-6000 . In Sweetwater they have only resale’s and I like the condos very much . 2000sq feet apartment asking about $200.000 and they are almost new and HOA fees are about $500. no CDD fees . same apartment in Ponde Vedra are $40.000 more and have CDD fees .

    by chris dedes — November 6, 2015

  302. Chris, what’s your opinion of Cresswind in Deland? Have you researched the central Florida problem of sink holes?

    Editor’s note: Don’t miss our article, “Retirees’ Bermuda Triangle: Water Shortages, Sinkholes, and Humidity” which sheds some light on the issue.

    by Amy Keshavarzi — November 6, 2015

  303. See information about taxes by state:

    by Colleen — November 6, 2015

  304. Thanks, Chris. Interesting what you said about the low lots at Trilogy. I don’t think I’d like that, either. I hope to do a stay and play there next year. I paid a quick visit to Valencia Lakes a couple of years ago and I liked it but it was too pricey for me. Good luck in your search.

    by Tessa — November 6, 2015

  305. Joann P, Brevard is in the mountains and, therefore, there will be a few snow days in winter. But some of the golf courses in the area are open year round, an indication that the snow doesn’t last long and temperatures are bearable. However, don’t throw away your heavy sweaters.

    by Larry — November 7, 2015

  306. Amy. yes Florida comes with sink holes especially the Tampa area .Cresswind is not bad My wife has a cousin that has a house near by and took us there . Is not bad community but something did not grab me . I am still looking. if my wife’s cousin buy there we probably buy there to . houses are good prices are reasonable no CDD fees .HOA fees about $370

    by chris dedes — November 7, 2015

  307. I am a native of NY and my wife is a native of Atlanta. We own homes in the Asheville area and Greenville,SC. At this point we think that Asheville has become too trendy and pricey for it’s own good. There is signigicant about of poverty and crime in Asheville which is in part generated by the low wage tourism jobs that dominate here. In some ways Asheville has the worst of both worlds, namely high home prices and poverty wage service jobs. Asheville is in a crisis mode regarding affordable housing. Education and literacy levels are low in Asheville, and there is a significant xenophobic loathing of “outsiders” from exotic places such as NY, FL, CA. Locals will deny this, but it is a real phenomenon which exists just underneath the facade of faux “southern hospitality”. Don’t disregard it.

    Greenville has signifiacntly lower home prices, quick access to South Carolina mountain parks, lower taxes, no winter season by NY standards, quick proximinty to the ocean, little to no hurricane threat, warm enough annual climate that hardy palm varieties willl winter over outdoors, more diverse ethnic mix than Asheville, no earthquake hazard as exists in Charleston, and higher wages than Asheville.
    We are considering leaving Asheville completely because it is too trendy and over rated in terms of overall quality of life.

    by Rob — November 8, 2015

  308. Rob,

    good to hear all the good about Greenville. been there twice in last 6 months .
    we are zooming in on Simpsonville which is 15 minute away . anything you can share
    about Simpsonville . you must try the ICE CREAM STATION there . thanks .


    by john v — November 9, 2015

  309. Rob, why the big move to SC? Any reason you’re not considering the towns nearer to home; Waynesville, Brevard, Franklin, etc?

    by ella — November 9, 2015

  310. We’re getting ready to move to the Asheville area from CT next summer. Not sure which town yet but we don’t want to be any further than 20 minutes from downtown Asheville. I’m a professional artist and my husband’s a building contractor. We’ll both continue to work so need to be near the “action.”

    We were down there two times this summer staying with friends in Flat Rock. We decided Brevard was too far away and also learned they have more rain ’cause of Pisgah Forest effect. Flat Rock too pricey. I don’t really like Hendersonville for living. Thinking Mills River or Weaverville at the moment.

    Do you have any suggestions for location?

    by Pamela — November 10, 2015

  311. My husband and I are retired and living in a medium size city in north Florida. We are considering a move to either Wake Forest or Cornelius in North Carolina. I know these areas are growing but I don’t want to have to travel on interstates to get to a medical appointment or to do shopping. Also is it difficult to find doctors in those areas that will accept Medicare? Another concern is living where there will be snow and ice since neither my husband or myself are use to driving in it. My husband has severe osteoporosis so slipping and falling is a huge concern. I would appreciate both positive and negative responses from anyone who lives or has lived recently there. I am wondering if adjusting to a much larger area as well as winter weather will be too difficult.

    by Cathy W — November 10, 2015

  312. To Rob, faux hospitality in the south… It is real! If you’re not born there, you’re an outsider. My two boys born in Ky. In the 80’s, we had a business there. We were outsiders our boys were not. Wave, talk to you, come to your house for dinner, cookouts etc. but you will never be invited to their home. Never! You’re not family and are not from there so…..

    by Janetfla — November 10, 2015

  313. Like most stereotypes, the “faux hospitality” one is more fiction than true. But the inhospitable exceptions tend to perpetuate the myths. We’ve made friends at our South Carolina vacation home who could not be more “Southern.” I don’t particularly like their politics, but we have a good laugh now and then about the stark differences. When we go out to dinner, they always ask us over for a drink beforehand, and we reciprocate. Our conversations center around our children, the University of SC football team, the latest restaurant openings in the area…in short, the normal stuff. There are a few of our southern neighbors I don’t find particularly friendly, and I steer clear of them. Just like I do up North. The bottom line is that folks is folks.

    by Larry — November 11, 2015

  314. I don’t agree that all Southerners offer faux hospitality. My Mom was from a farm family in Kentucky and was the youngest. She never wanted the farm life because she saw how hard her Mother’s life was and rejected that idea. She worked as a waitress in a restaurant when she met her future husband who was an FBI agent around 1951. He was born in PA but was based out of NY. She and he courted for about a year then he asked her Father for her hand in marriage. He proposed to her and they got married. The farm folk LOVED my Dad and each year when we made the trip down there we were all greeted with open arms. They would have family dinners and would gather for days together. They would invite neighbors over too. My Dad was a ‘Yankee’ and college educated, these were real farm folk that worked the fields with mules and plows pulled behind them. If anyone was going to reject a Yankee, these people you’d think would have. They were very generous in every way. People are people and no matter where you live, some people are good and some are not worth your time.

    by Louise — November 11, 2015

  315. One thing I know about living in both North and South… you will remain an “outsider” if you don’t join in the community activities. Rather it is a church, club or town activity, you have to show you have town pride in something. It is very important to pick a community with activities you love.

    by DeyErmand — November 11, 2015

  316. Does anyone have a recommendation for 55+ retirement communities that are not extremely large but have single people residing there.
    I am a 58 year old single woman and I dont want to be living with all couples. (not sure if this even exists!)
    I am interested in Fla., N.C. and S.C. Your suggestions would be appreciated.

    by Terry — March 30, 2016

  317. Terry, I live at Del Webb Charleston and we have lots of singles. There is an active singles group. Everyone here is very inclusive and welcoming. We should be built out in the next 12-18 months and will have a little over 1000 houses.

    by Kathy — March 31, 2016

  318. Terry, What do you mean by “extremely” large? The catch 22 is that places like Del Webb (usually about 20-25 percent singe) are a great alternative for us singles, but most are large…not sure about extremely large. Also you have to accept that the quality of homes for the price is not great (at least in the DelWebs that I have visited)…and know that you are sacrifying home value for the lifestyle.

    Just curious are you thinking c oastal in NC and SC and even FL? Charlotte area (both NC and SC) has some places worth a visit), While Asheville doesn’t have much in active adult communities there is a group of singles centered around the OLLI located there.

    by elaine — March 31, 2016

  319. I posted this on another blog and got no response. I was wondering if anybody lives in Woodside Plantation in Aiken SC. Supposedly there is a daily burn of the Hitchcock Woods that leaves a cloud over the town of Aiken. Can anybody either confirm or deny this is happening.

    by Mike M — April 1, 2016

  320. To Mike M,

    I live in Woodside Plantation in Aiken, SC. Yes there is an occasional burn in Hitchcock Woods but no way near a daily burn and it does not cover the town in smoke.

    Paul M

    by Paul M — April 1, 2016

  321. http://www.bestplaces.net/backfence/viewcomment.aspx?id=69DB2315-380E-46CB-A82B-69E72F3DD3DF&city=Aiken_SC&p=54500550

    by Joann — April 2, 2016

  322. Does anyone know anything about the Edgewater community located in Lancaster, SC? It’s near the NC/SC border near Charlotte, NC. It’s been around for at least 6 or 7 years, I believe. We have visited there a couple of times-it’s out in the boonies, but a great golf course, and set on a lovely lake. But there doesn’t seem to be alot of homes built there, which has given us an uneasy feeling, since the real estate market in that area is booming.

    by scsharks — April 3, 2016

  323. Is there a town in the cool mountains of NC where there are no schools, social programs or any other government paid programs that increase local taxes where seniors can live and not have to support programs they do not need?

    by Jim l — April 3, 2016

  324. Wow, Jim; i doubt it! Although Hot Springs may have no schools (???)

    by ella — April 4, 2016

  325. I know it sounds odd no schools, no locally funded daycare, no welfare … but why pay for things you never need. I think there should be towns where seniors that are fiscally independent can live and not have any of the social programs they do not need and more of the programs they do need like medical care and nursing facilities. This would funnel taxes into the programs that offer seniors value.

    by Jim l — April 4, 2016

  326. Interesting…so you think that in a municipality that has no children, only seniors, the costs of supporting medical and nursing care would be affordable for the residents who aren’t paying the costs of supporting services not needed by seniors? Don’t you realize that a broad base of residents of all ages and needs is crucial to a self-supporting municipality? Your cost for the hospital district would be as much as the missing cost of the school district.

    by Joe G — April 4, 2016

  327. Good point Joe I didn’t realize school tax dollars helped pay for hospitals and nursing homes. I was under the impression they were paid for with county, state and federal tax dollars. Which everyone pays. Where I live up north we pay federal income tax, state income tax, 8% sales tax on purchases then a separate county tax and school tax based on home property values. The school tax is about equal to the county tax. On a home valued at $300k it is about $6,000 per year for each or about $12,000 in total. I was referring to the $6,000 in school tax which would not be needed with no schools. I don’t see it as any different than not paying for snow removal. Up north we get about 100 inches of snow every year. The county tax pays for snow removal and salt application to roads. Obviously this service is not needed in the south reducing taxes significantly. Schools would be the same.

    by Jim l — April 5, 2016

  328. Just remember that the support staffs for all of the senior services provided have children and need education. Even The Villages has schools.

    by Dick — April 5, 2016

  329. I live in Georgia but am originally from the Chicago suburbs. The school portion of our real estate taxes drop off at age 65. So my taxes will be reduced by approximately $1500.00.

    by Jim C — April 5, 2016

  330. Does anyone have information about retiring in and around Greenville NC?

    by Carol — April 5, 2016

  331. Ditto in SC Jim C. Once 65, little or no school tax. The sad state of the public schools, school buses and low national rating for quality of education are the result however…

    by SandyZ — April 6, 2016

  332. SCSharks: I live in Lancaster near the big Sun City, but I’m a transplantee. I’m not familiar with Edgewater. I looked online, and it appears to be at the bottom of the county. My suspicion is that the major development simply hasn’t gotten that far south yet, with most of the new developments being in the Northern part of the county, closer to the perks of Charlotte.

    It’s true that there’s a lot of construction up our way. Commercial for Sale signs line the highways into S. Carolina, over the border from N. Carolina. Del Webb has started building another 1,000 home complex in Fort Mill, SC. A sign went up that another Active Adult community is coming soon across the street from Del Webb Carolina Lakes in Lancaster. A little up the road, land is being razed for a movie complex, and two more churches have started construction. On our HOA website, people post plans taken from developer sites, showing developers are trying to find tenants for proposed new shopping strip malls. All-age housing developments are being built everywhere the closer you get to the NC border. As a negative, traffic is truly terrible and only getting worse. Plan on 1-1/2 hour or more if you’re going to drive that 25-30 miles into Charlotte.

    by Kate — April 7, 2016

  333. My sister moved to the charming town of Beaufort SC and loves its history, climate, people, and being on the coast. She lives in a safe, gated, community called Picket Fences which is NOT age restricted. But it is fun for grandchildren to visit for its pool and places to walk. Really a lovely area.

    by Janet Harvey — April 15, 2016

  334. Im thinking about moving from long Island to SC in the folly beach area. Anyone with valuable info is appreciated

    by Don Cari — April 16, 2016

  335. Kate’s message said …A sign went up that another Active Adult community is coming soon across the street from Del Webb Carolina Lakes in Lancaster..
    We’re interested in this area and think Del Webb is too expensive. What does the sign say about the new adult community across the street? Does the developer have a website now? Also you are scaring us about the posibility of traffic problems here and that’s why we are moving from Austin, TX area.

    by Ronald — April 17, 2016

  336. Ronald – It’s the Tree Tops community by Lennar. They have a web site but nothing posted yet. Apparently there will be about 800 homes. I looked at the builder’s site, and my guess is that they’ll be more expensive than Del Webb. http://www.treetopslennar.com/ There’s another 55+ community in Rock Hill called Gold Hill, but I don’t know anything about it. There are also lots of Epcon smaller 55+ communities in the Charlotte area, which can have resales in the mid-to high 200’s. Trilogy is building North of Charlotte, but their homes are in the 300’s to 400’s.

    When I moved here in 2014, it was still a Buyer’s market. Someone in my office told me that Charlotte had a real estate crash due to a banking industry problem a few years ago, and many Sellers were underwater. As I was real estate shopping, I noticed that some Sellers had paid more than they were trying to sell their homes for. My Seller had apparently tried to sell the house several times, according to Zillow. I was interested to see that my second choice home eventually sold for $30K less than the asking price (especially since the Seller’s realtor told my realtor that the Seller wouldn’t entertain an offer $15K less than the askiing price). I don’t know if that’s changed or not. There’s certainly a lot of new construction, and homes in my neighborhood are currently selling quickly. .

    by Kate — April 18, 2016

  337. Thanks Kate. Do you have a feeling for how the 55+ community residents are coping with the increased traffic around Charlotte and new commercial developments along 521 etc? Golfcarts are nice within community boundaries, but we are active and also want to explore recreation, dining, music etc, and worried about traffic issues.

    by Ronald — April 18, 2016

  338. I have heard that Del Webb is building a new, smaller community near Carolina Lakes. We live in Del Webb Charleston and love. I have also been told by fellow residents that looked at other Del Webb communities that ours is less expensive than some of their other locations.

    by Kathy — April 18, 2016

  339. Kathy, has the town of Summerville grown much since Del Webb opened? We looked there when this Del Webb was new but wondered if there would be a variety of retail available besides the drug and grocery being built near the entrance. We liked the little downtown area. Thanks.

    by Carold — April 19, 2016

  340. Carold, the Publix shopping center now has several restaurants, vet clinic, dental office and Dr’s office. A breakfast cafe is due to open next month. A hospital is going g to be built about 5 miles from here. We have been here not quite 3 years and I am amazed at how much growth there has been. There will also be a new exit off 26 that will eventually connect us to the backside of the Target shopping center.

    by Kathy — April 20, 2016

  341. Kathy,
    I’m another Kathy moving to Nexton in Summerville at the end of June.
    The growth is amazing. Would love to know anything else you can tell me about the area.

    by Kathy T — April 20, 2016

  342. Ronald: I spent the first few months after relocation with high blood pressure, sitting in traffic and ticked off that it took me so long to go anywhere. I’ve gradually come to accept it, and figure on getting brake jobs every 20,000 miles. I got XM radio for the car, and also listen to books on tape now as I sit in traffic. I honestly think that many people end up just enjoying aging in their 55+ communities, and either don’t drive much or plan car trips to avoid major highways and rush hours… or they simply adapt, like I’ve been doing.

    by Kate — April 20, 2016

  343. We are looking into moving to New Bern,NC.in March 2017. Would like some information from someone who lives there on what it is like in this town. We now live in Florida and wanted to move a little more North.

    by John — April 20, 2016

  344. Love Publix and its Key Lime Pie. Cheap and good. Under ten bucks for six large slices

    by Richard Pontone — April 20, 2016

  345. John, may I ask why you are leaving FL. My husband leans towards FL but I am skeptical. Any ammunition for me?

    And thanks Kathy for the Summerville info.

    by Carold — April 20, 2016

  346. Kathy T, Nexton looks like a great place to live! What kind of information are you looking for? I would be happy to answer any questions you have.

    by Kathy — April 21, 2016

  347. John, I live in Raleigh and have visited New Bern over the years but it has been a while since I was last there. I was there yesterday on business and walked around the parks on the rivers and downtown area. Of all the cities I have visited over the years up and down the east coast this one clearly stands out. The streets are beautiful, history is all around and the people are so genuine and friendly. Cannot image there is something here not to love! I am a few years away from retiring but feel like this will be my choice to retire. I think if anyone visits here they will feel the same way. Call Cariline at the visitors center for more info. She was very kind to me yesterday and gave me lots of informational materials. I also met a lady at the drug store and Pepsi “stuff”, this is the home of the original inventor of Pepsi, and she had moved to New Bern 9 years ago from Connecticut. They have loved it here, I would think you could call her for personal experience. Enjoy eastern North Carolina and the rest of NC.

    by Huntley — April 21, 2016

  348. Kate, Thanks for the input on Edgewater. I used to live in Charlotte, so I know the traffic woes. Your comment about Edgewater being at the lower end of Lancaster county is right, because you really have to know where it is-it’s so far out in the country. That said, my husband and I are golfers, and love this place-we have considered relocating there. However, I’ve heard there were some legal issues with True Homes a while back. It’s such a pristine location, but with little construction activity it scared us off. We have asked the sales office how many homes have been built in the last year, and we never got a straight answer. Guess we’ll just monitor this location for awhile.

    by scsharks — April 21, 2016

  349. Hi Carold: There are both pros and cons to Florida. We have been down here 5 years and in that time a lot of things have changed. The price of buying a home – at least in our area – has soared as have the rental prices. We moved from the Cape Coral/Fort Myers area – Lee county when we first moved to Florida in 2011. After 2 years in that area we moved to Clearwater and just to give you an idea – our car insurance went up over $300.00 for the year. Plus if you buy in a flood zone the home insurance is astronomical!!! The one good thing for Florida is its tax structure and of course the weather – but during July,August and September the weather is HOT HOT HOT – in the 90’s and the humidity is just unbearable. Last year it was in the high 80’s to 90’s starting in April. We do love the nature parks and all the wildlife preserves – they are the best compared to other states. And if you live near either of the coasts from October to April it is almost impossible to get to any of the beaches. We are about 15 minutes from Clearwater Beach and when the “snowbirds” are here it can take us almost an hour to make the same drive.Plus it does seem as if crime has really gotten worse – mass drive by shootings, many many hit and runs, and the older people are constantly having their homes broken into. Now don’t get me wrong – like I said there are some pros – but the amount of people moving to Florida each day is unbelievable and they have even stated in the local newspapers that they cannot keep up with the growth in the way of roads and other every day existence. We have done a lot of research and even spoke to some friends who have moved out of Florida and decided that we would like to move to a place that is not quite as congested and where the humidity is not as stifling. Friends of ours moved to North Carolina and have been telling us how they really like the area they moved to and also the people in the state seem to be very genuine. Are goal is to be moved from here by March of 2017. Good Luck in whatever or wherever you decide to move.

    by JOHN — April 21, 2016

  350. Hello. My wife and I are strongly considering relocating / semi retiring to either North, or South Carolina. So far, we have visited Bluffton, Beaufort and Summerville SC. This summer, we are visiting Charleston, Daniel Island and Mount Pleasant, SC. We are also going to Wilmington NC and it’s surrounding communities. Currently, we reside in New Jersey. Can anyone kindly shed some light on what auto insurance might cost in these two states? It’s gotta be less expensive then what we’re paying here!

    by Lee Krislow — April 24, 2016

  351. Can someone please give us an idea of what electric rates are like in New Bern NC? Both in the town and
    surrounding areas?? Possibly give us an idea of monthly costs on a home of around 1300 square ft?? Would be much appreciated. Kathy

    by JOHN — April 27, 2016

  352. JOHN, This may help you on your question. The average family uses around 908K a month @ 12 cents per kilowatts;
    VA 11.8 cents a Kilowatt
    KY 15.9
    TN 16.
    NJ 16.1
    GA 17.4
    NC 17.5
    SC 18.3
    FL 18.4
    A well insulated home uses less due to heating/cooling. Using appliances during peak hours costs more (4-8pm)

    by DeyErmand — April 28, 2016

  353. I also wanted to add, Different Power companies did raise the prices last year. The best way is to call the electric company of the town you are searching to get exact costs. Some cities have their own independent source which can save money.

    by DeyErmand — April 28, 2016

  354. Lee Krislow, our auto insurance in Beaufort SC is $984.00 for a 2013 SUV. That reflects a discount because we bundle our home and auto insurance. WE are two drivers with immaculate driving history. About 30% higher than Maine. Hope that helps!

    by SandyZ — April 28, 2016

  355. My wife and I are going to the Edgewater community in Lancaster SC in June for a visit. If anyone has information on that community or any and all in the area that would be great.

    Thank you,


    by Bob & Barb — April 28, 2016

  356. I recommend that everyone consider renting in an area for a little while to give yourselves sufficient time to explore all your options. Regardless, just a few thoughts from a guy who has lived and worked in many cities in the Carolina’s…

    We lived in Greenville(Upstate)SC and we loved it in the foothills, close to the mountains, which are lovely year-round and cool in the hot summer months. 3.5 hours to Charleston and a touch more to Hilton Head. Two easy hours to Atlanta or Charlotte. Good air service. I recommend renting here and exploring the Carolina’s.

    Charleston is the cultural hub of the low country, with lots to do, lots to offer, and great beaches. There are a variety of communities around Charleston well within two hours of the ocean. Charleston traffic can be a concern and was a factor in our decision not to locate there. The Summerville area is probably one of the safer areas to live in. Charleston and Greenville are two of the more expensive areas to live in in SC, but they are probably cheaper than Chapel Hill. Charleston gets down to about the 50’s in the winter, while Greenville gets snow and ice in the winter. However, Charleston is hot and humid in the summers. Charleston and Spartanburg have the best medical facilities ratings in SC.

    Columbia is the business hub and has some of the hottest, most humid summer weather in SC. If you’re retiring, it would not be high on my list, due to higher cost of living, we moved outside the area to Georgetown, SC Georgetown has recently opened a Endo, Neuro center near their hospital.They opened a cancer center back in 2004.

    The Beaufort/Hilton Head, NC area is the “true” low country, and some of the most beautiful scenery you’ll ever find. It’s worth checking out.

    Myrtle Beach is Myrtle Beach. It’s a tourist town going thru a transition to a retirement town. It’s got great restaurants, lots to do, and lots of people. It’s getting crowded.

    You probably won’t see it on many people’s list, but I recommend spending a little time in Conway, SC. It’s about 30 minutes from MB and about 45 minutes from nice beaches. It’s a pretty little town along the Waccamaw River, and has a lot to offer.The hospital is small but the Grand Strand is in MB. Georgetown SC or Southport NC are the best 2 small towns I have lived in the Carolina’s, finding living “outside” a bigger city more liking to my budget in many States…

    Perhaps some ‘?active?’ towns to consider are Beaufort, SC, Charleston, SC, and Wilmington, NC. All are coastal towns with lots of history, artsy, great restaurants and coastal. ?(?Savannah, GA is similar as well.?)? Asheville is not by the coast, but in the Blue Ridge mountains…considered cool and ‘granola’. Charlotte has a lot to offer…2 hours to mountains, 4 to beaches.? Also Charlotte has the best Medical facilities in the State.?

    Taxes help to pay for the well being of everyone. If your State taxes, city taxes seem high, ask yourself what you get “extra” by having taxes in place. Hospitals and Police departments depend on taxes as do schools, Senior Vans, and downtown free entertainment. So when you move to save tax expense, you may miss those “extra” amenities of back home!

    by DeyErmand — April 28, 2016

  357. I would like to suggest that if you are looking for car/house/umbrella insurance to check out AARP. We were with a certain insurance company for probably 30 years and it kept going up and up on the cars with no accidents. Asked the agent whom we had done business with for years if he could lower the rate. He called back and said NO! So being very unhappy with this situation I contacted AARP. My rates for even better insurance on car/house/umbrella was almost $1,000 a year less. I was so happy to dump our previous insurance company. This is a pretty involved process getting all the information to give to AARP. You will need to gather all your insurance information, assessment information on your home and VIN numbers on your cars. Somehow I had all the information and was on the phone with them for a long, long time but it was so worth it to save that kind of money! My rates do go up each year but the amounts are small.

    by Louise — April 29, 2016

  358. Dey Ermand,
    a lot of good info . I am preparing a move to Simpsonville SC. been there twice.
    about 8-10 miles from Greenville . retired. just making the move from nyc to there would save
    me $ 1,900 yr on my aarp supp for the same coverage. my RE taxes on a $ 200,000 home
    would be around $ 1,000.00 compared to $5,000.00 now .the town and people warmed our hearts. what other helpful info can you provide. probably our last move . thank you .

    john v.

    by john v — April 29, 2016

  359. Dey Emmand – Just opened my electric bill here in Beaufort SC – 12.4 cents for first 800 KW and 11.8 for the next 200 KW. $159.00 for the month, with AC going and set at 75 degrees. A little less than what you had found. These numbers, utilities and insurance are the hardest numbers to nail down when moving and planning a budget. Our biggest surprise for the budget was the health insurance costs. I am a few years away from Medicare, but my husband just turned 65 and started Medicare this month. Here is how it shook out for us: Medicare Part B was higher than planned, supplemental lower than expected, Part D drug was a higher than expected, but then add the dental and vision, long-term care and climbing life insurance premiums as we age and whew! Health related insurance is definitely the biggest part of the budget! A bit over 1200.00 for two of us! Difficult to flush all of this out ahead of that magic birthday and requires hours and hours of research and phone calls. Hope this helps folks beginning to plan their retirement budget.

    by SandyZ — April 29, 2016

  360. Thanks Louise, I was checking insurances in different states, AARP had been suggested to me. Do you know if they can help on deciding on Health insurance plans too?

    Sady Z Yes I posted a State average cost which could be different price wise in different counties and cities from what I posted. I am looking at insurance companies and thank you for your input! It has always been a concern in our home as my MIL has extremely high cost medical insurance that goes higher by age!

    by DeyErmand — April 29, 2016

  361. John V Simpsonville, has a lot to offer, semi- affordable living, lots of stores to shop available. Not far from Greenville. but do join in some volunteering or a church, club, groups to “fit” in, not far from Greenville. It is a family oriented town. The town has grown. Very hot, and humid in the summer.

    by DeyErmand — April 29, 2016

  362. Dey, I don’t know if AARP has anything to do with Health Plans. They have Medicare Supplemental plans. Here in CT we have to use Access Health to buy Obama Care. Another place you can check out is Costco. They also have Health Plans but you have to be a member.

    Here is a link for determining if you are eligible for the obamacare subsidy: https://obamacare.net/2016-federal-poverty-level/

    We are a family of two and we keep our income below $63,700 to qualify for the Subsidy. The subsidy for us is $1,010.00 and we pay $443.18 a month for the two of us. We draw from our savings to supplement our income as it isn’t considered income like our SS checks and annuities. We do draw from annuities but modestly to not go over the limit. We have a Silver plan through Anthem. Hub will go on Medicare next year. I don’t know what it will cost when I am alone on the policy because the price includes all household income. I am afraid our income will exceed the limit for one person and will have to pay a lot more for insurance.

    by Louise — April 30, 2016

  363. Hi was wondering if anyone could give us some information on Summerville SC. We are considering moving
    to that town and was hoping someone could give us some input on the good and the bad John

    by jennie — April 30, 2016

  364. Bob and Barb, Please let me know what you find out about Edgewater. My husband and I have visited there several times before over the past 4 or 5 years. I have asked this blog community about it (my post 4-3-16). My husband and I are golfers, and found Edgewater very nice. But-there did not seem to be a lot of construction going on, which made us wonder why. We have talked to a Realtor a couple of times, but there wasn’t much follow up from him. Still love the place, so would appreciate a report when you visit there.

    by scsharks — April 30, 2016

  365. Hi Was wondering if someone could provide some information on Conway SC Looking at various towns and this is one of them.

    by jennie — April 30, 2016

  366. Hi, my husband 66 and myself 60, are looking to move to nc or sc by the end of this year.
    We unfortunately are in a very big bind. we have to sell our house in md. and will maybe have $100k left to then
    find a new house/condo, and live on with my husband’s soc sec check of $1200 per month. we have no savings at all.
    so as my husband can’t work ( he is too ill) we need a place to live where i can get a job in retail to support us as long as possible. Any ideas are greatly welcome.

    any ideas of towns with some retail job available at my age?


    by erin — May 3, 2016

  367. Erin, you want Raleigh, NC or Greenville SC for retail jobs. Pay is generally better in NC and utilities and housing costs more, but medical co pays are less. If your financial well being is based on the sale of your present home, check out Greenville.

    by DeyErmand — May 4, 2016

  368. Edgewater- my husband and I just left there 2 days ago. They have a play and stay but opted not to stay. There is very little there, no amenities yet. The nearest town is Lancaster which offers the basic necessities. It’s a dry county and not many homes built. If you are looking for a lake front lot, it may be worth it.

    I don’t have much else to offer as we were looking for an active adult.

    by Vickie — May 4, 2016

  369. Erin
    Check out Myrtle beach. Real estate costs are low ( off the beach) and there are lots of retail jobs. It’s also tax friendly for seniors.

    by Cyndi — May 4, 2016

  370. Erin have you ever considered co-housing of some kind? We are considering an arrangement like that. Looking at homes with 2 master suites and an extra bedroom. Each couple would have their own master suite and bath, an extra bedroom for either couple’s guests, and common areas – kitchen family room, etc.

    Otherwise, I would suggest the Conway area – very reasonable, close to the beach, but not close enough to be threatened by hurricanes.

    Good luck.

    by Liz — May 4, 2016

  371. We are hoping to relocate to an area close to Myrtle Beach called Seagate Village. Does anyone have any information on this development?? Anything you could give us would be helpful. JOHN

    by JOHN — May 19, 2016

  372. for John, where is Seagate Village & how did you come to select this place? If you don’t mind sharing, ty in advance.

    by raycor — May 21, 2016

  373. For Raycor:

    It is a development right across the street from Myrtle Beach State Park. It consists of 800 homes. Back in the
    50’s it was base housing. When the base closed it was purchased by a group who completely remodeled the
    homes. A realtor told us to look at this development. From what we saw on the internet and also speaking to
    the office people at Seagate, it looks and sounds quite appealing. You can research it on the internet if you
    would like to see pictures and read the story of Seagate. We are hoping to move to the Myrtle Beach area
    sometime next year and have started to do some research on available homes. John

    by JOHN — May 21, 2016

  374. Erin and Liz: I also want to move rea. I researched, and Conway does get hit by hurricanes now and then.

    by Amy — May 22, 2016

  375. Amy, if you are concerned about a hurricane hitting “now and then”, you will never move to the Southeast. I would not worry if I were you. A

    by Dick — May 22, 2016

  376. Sheesh! I’m so annoyed by having to scroll and scroll and scroll to get to the most recent posts! Admin: can you please have the most current postings at the top???? Who else is with me on this? In the meantime, does anyone know a keyboard shortcut (macbook pro) that would take me immediately to the bottom of the page?

    Admin Comment. This request is certainly reasonable and it has come up many times before. The consensus seems to be that although it is a pain to go to the bottom to see the latest, it is more disconcerting to read the comments in backwards order (the answer before you see the question). So we are going to stick with latest at bottom, but here is a good tip we found in an online Apple forum:

    While swiping a long document, email, or webpage, try several long, quick swipes in rapid succession: you should notice the scrolling speed accelerate accordingly.

    We just tried it and it works very well. Use it and it you will get to the bottom quickly. No one seems to know of a command that does this for you.

    by Barbara — May 22, 2016

  377. Agree, current posts at the top, much better, especially if viewing on a tablet.

    by Sandie — May 22, 2016

  378. For the past several months, I can tap on a new comment in the daily email update and it takes me right to it. Very handy.

    by LocoBill — May 23, 2016

  379. LocoBill’s experience is mine on iPad: Tap on link in email and it takes you to that comment (at bottom of list).

    by Larry — May 23, 2016

  380. Same on iPhone, it opens to the newest comments. And really how hard is scrolling?

    by Debra — May 23, 2016

  381. Yes Dick, I know you’re right. Thanks.

    by Amy — May 23, 2016

  382. Amy, I don’t know what you are looking for but the only caveat I have about Conway is that if you live near the river, there has been occasional flooding so be careful where you buy. There are many nice developments between Conway and Myrtle Beach especially in the Carolina Forest area. Good luck…..

    by Dick — May 23, 2016

  383. Sorry to hear you’re not going to change things (to current posts at the top.) I was already doing the speedy scrolling you described, all the while thinking, “this is so stupid!” because this Dueling Carolinas conversation is so long. Could you look into the possibility of having a “Settings” feature where users could click a radio button for their preference?
    And to LocoBill, I used to be able to do that. It worked that way when I first started getting the daily email updates a couple months ago, and then all of a sudden it stopped working. Computers can be so frustrating.

    by Barbara — May 23, 2016

  384. I work full-time and need to look at 100’s of emails everyday on my work PC and personal cell phone, tablet and PC. I’ll probably receive A LOT of negative or even mean comments back for writing this but I think it needs to be mentioned. What is happening to us that we are in such a hurry that we complain about the time and effort it takes to scroll to the latest comment? Are we really THAT busy? Sad.

    by BeckyN. — May 24, 2016

  385. Hi Dick. Yes, I’m “a scardy cat”. So, now my issue is that I shouldn’t live in a house or on the first floor of a condo building because of flooding. That means I would want an elevator, because I don’t want to move after this, and in my older years, I can’t see myself being okay with carrying groceries up the stairs, etc. I know I must sound like I’m a negative person, but I really am an optimistic person!

    by Amy — May 24, 2016

  386. BeckyN: I agree! I feel so lucky to have access to this retirement site every day! There are rare, minor imperfections.

    by Ann — May 25, 2016

  387. Amy, a house or first floor condo shouldn’t be an issue unless you are close to the river. Don’t limit yourself. Lots to choose from…….

    by Dick — May 25, 2016

  388. Re: faster navagation

    I also can use swipes as described above

    on my Surface: “ctrl+end” or
    “PgDn” work

    by elaine — May 25, 2016

  389. Trying to decide between Woodside Plantation, Aiken SC and St. James Plantation, Southport, NC. I like the community of Woodside but the surrounding area seems lacking. Hard to find a good restaurant and shopping is very limited. I like St. James but the threat of hurricane worries me. Also does the salt air really have much effect on homes and cars. I visited both recently. Each community has transplants from the other…

    by Vicki — May 26, 2016

  390. I am considering relocating to Fort Mill, SC from New York. I would like to hear from anyone who has experience with Lennar homes and Del Web homes. I am interested in Carolina Orchards by Del Web and Tree Tops by Lennar. The Del Web homes are more expensive and the Lennar homes offer a lot more. My problem is that I have read many negative posts on various websites that Lennar homes are poor quality and customer service is all lip service. This is a big investment and I do not want to be saddled with a lemon. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has personal issues with these builders or know of someone who has.

    by Eileen O'Brien — May 27, 2016

  391. Vicki, I have visited and played the golf courses at Woodside and St. James before posting reviews at my blog site, GolfCommunityReviews.com. Both are fine, well-established communities that seem well organized. If you are a golfer, both offer multiple courses. The nearby towns of Aiken and Southport are both charming and offer ample services; the larger towns of Augusta, GA, and Wilmington, NC are within 45 minutes each. It boils down to whether you want to be 15 minutes from the beach (St. James) or inland (Woodside). If your preference is coastal, my suggestion is not to obsess about hurricanes. A book called Hurricane Watch by a former director of the National Hurricane Center indicates that Wilmington, NC, just 40 minutes away from St. James, has a 10% chance of a hurricane in any one season but only a 2% chance of a serious one. Check out a map of Southport and you will see that the “barrier” island of Bald Head and the Fort Caswell/Caswell Beach areas form a protective seal for Southport; and St. James is another 8 miles inland so the chances of a major hit from a hurricane are lessened. If you are worried about hurricanes in spite of the remote possibility one will slam into St. James, just keep the Weather Channel on from June through September and you will have plenty of time to escape in the unlikely event of an evacuation.

    by Larry — May 27, 2016

  392. Scrolling problem solved just now, thanks to elaine’s May 25 post just above. I use a macbook pro, so I knew her suggestions would not work on a mac (there’s no “end” or “page down” keys on the keyboard). However, I decided to try various combinations of keystrokes and wouldn’t you know it, the very first one I tried actually worked.

    So, on a macbook pro, hit Command + down arrow and voila, takes you right to the end of the posts. Perfect!

    by Barbara — May 27, 2016

  393. Eileen,
    DelWebb ( Pulte ), Lennar are all in the same group, quick build, decent quality. My problem is DelWebb in Carolina lakes has crazy pricing. How does a reasonable middle class couple on a fixed income afford the homes? I would suggest most of the residents are not retired but rather working in NC AND living in cheaper SC. NOT sure if I would consider that a retirement community. It is a lovely place with a reasonable hoa but to buy is tough. when they had new homes there pricing was 30-40% higher than same model else where. resales are numerous but expensive..
    As far as quality, most of the big builders are lacking…

    Good luck

    by Alexmac — May 27, 2016

  394. Eileen: I live near both neighborhoods. I agree with Alexmac that these builders charge a premium (don’t trust the base prices.) I had an estimate run by Del Webb for some fairly basic options and the price ended up being about $100K more than the base price for the model I was considering. Personally, Tree Tops might be a little more convenient, plus it’s cross the street from the big Del Webb Carolina Lakes. That would mean approximately 4,000+ old people in one place.

    It’s hard to know what might eventually be developed around the new Del Webb neighborhood, which is about 20 minutes away. I have to flag a concern that there’s so much development coming in, such as a big Lennair townhouse development currently being built next to the Tree Tops site, that it’s hard to predict whether things are going to get even worse with traffic. Lennair also has a sign up for a commercial development on the other side of Tree Tops. If they put in a nice convenient llittle strip mall with desirable stores, that could be great…the problem is that no one knows what might end up being built, or when. I guess that’s the problem with any new development though. It’s always a little bit of a gamble.

    The floor plans are sufficiently different, that your decision could end up being swayed by that alone. Lennair also seems to be indicating that there will be a little more space between homes.

    by Kate — May 27, 2016

  395. Check out Kotler homes. Very well built.

    by Ceil — May 27, 2016

  396. Thank you Larry for that info. My husband and I are having a difficult time deciding which is best. I am planning on visiting both communities again and stay for an extended time. We need more time to explore and experience each!

    by Vicki — May 28, 2016

  397. Larry,
    Thanks so much for your posting. I’ve only traveled to the mountains, so far. When briefly considering the coast every now and then, i’ve always ruled it our due to the possibility of hurricanes. (In 10 years, both my husband and i will be old, and i don’t want to have to face evacuations.) Thanks to you, i will read “Hurricane Watch,” and perhaps will visit St. James. Thanks, again!

    by ella — May 28, 2016

  398. Amy (4/24/16 post), Your desire to live on the second floor or above, with elevator, is very reasonable. Flooding is then usually not an issue, although first floor flooding can affect the operation of the elevator and electricity to the entire building. For many 55+ people, there is also an added element of security on the second floor or above. Although most 55+ communities are fairly safe, break-ins through exterior doors or windows occur much more often on the first floor than the second or higher. Also, if you happen to live on a top floor, there’s no noise from upstairs neighbors. It can, however, be a bit warmer in the hot months since you’re not insulated by a unit above you.

    Many multi-story 55+ developments are found in Florida; not so much further north, except for continuing care retirement centers. There are a lot of garden-style (2-3 stories) retirement developments in FL, and, of course, lots of high-rises, if that is one’s preference. Higher level living also often provides lovely – or even breathtaking – views!

    by Clyde R. — May 30, 2016

  399. Looking for a nice place to retire where we can ride our motorcycles more than 6 months out of year. Currently in Massachusetts. We thinking Rock Hill, SC (not too far from mountains or from friends in NC). Hubby just retired but, I will be looking for a school bus driving job (that’s what I currently do). Really looking for a christian motorcycle community are we on the right track?

    by Rose — July 2, 2016

  400. North Carolina will kill you with taxes ! State Tax, County Tax, View Tax if you choose the mountains, city tax. Gasoline tax, property tax etc.

    South Carolina is a much better state for tax reasons. Remember you get what you pay for but when you pay thousands a years in tax it takes away from your income.

    by Ron — July 3, 2016

  401. Coastal flood and other insurance is soaring out of control as a result of the last hurricane that hit the North East.
    Any home built before 1987 will get up to a 25% increase in these insurance rates per year until the deficit is resolved.
    This means if you move very near the beach you may be paying over $3000 per years just for hurricane insurance which is mandatory.

    Research any property fully for hidden fees like this.


    by Ron — July 3, 2016

  402. Is there a website that will list HOA fees along with the price range of housing in theCarolinas?

    by Jeanne — July 3, 2016

  403. I agree that South Carolina is more tax friendly than NC but the list of taxes Ron gave are misleading. Property taxes cover county and city taxes. There are no separate taxes. View taxes????? Never heard of them.

    by Dick — July 3, 2016

  404. I live near the beach in NC and the comment that you pay over $3000 just for hurricane insurance is ridiculous. I have a 2100 sq ft home and just renewed my homeowners insurance for just under $1800 and that includes hurricane coverage. Flood insurance if required or desired is extra. I think Ron should do his research.

    by Dick — July 3, 2016

  405. We retired to coastal SC. FYI house insurance is just under 1500.00 annually. FEMA flood insurance is additional $450.00 ish. We live on an island so though not required, flood insurance was highly recommended by neighbors and agents alike! Auto insurance in SC is expensive however, about $1200,00 annually. Also, our long term health care insurance rose significantly thanks to the OK from SC Insurance Comission for a 24*% increase this year and a 28% increase for next year! I understand insurance corruption is a big problem at the state level. Overall insurance in total is more than double from our previous home in Maine – other savings in taxes and utilities far offset the bottom line for carrying costs however.

    by SandyZ — July 3, 2016

  406. We live in Carolina Shores NC on a golf course you can buy a nice home for about $210,000 and our taxes are about $1200 and insurance including flood for about $2,000. Most people do not know we are here and a short drive to the beach.

    by Jim — July 3, 2016

  407. does anyone know what the RE taxes on a $ 200,000 house in the suburbs of Greenville SC
    a town called Simpsonville would be. house under 10 years old . also a senior citizen .
    thank you .

    by john v — July 4, 2016

  408. Check out websites for localities. They often list real estate tax rates and outline other taxes. They might also let ou know if there are any additional taxes on the area you are considering. Sometimes RE agents. “Forget” about those.

    by Sandie — July 4, 2016

  409. John V, Greenville County provides a tax estimator. You can enter a $ value for the property and select from the various Simpsonville districts. http://www.greenvillecounty.org/appsas400/RealPropertyTaxEstimator/

    by Linda — July 5, 2016

  410. As a long-time Charlotte resident, I can tell you that they will tax you and tax you and tax you again. I will not retire here.

    by Nan — July 6, 2016

  411. thank you linda…. but sorry folks had a senior moment. meant to ask what would be the Ins. prem
    on a $ 200,000 house in Simpsonville SC . if anyone can help thanks .

    by john v — July 6, 2016

  412. Nan,
    Right on.. North Carolina is a beautiful state but they will tax you everyway possible. Did you ever hear about the “View Tax” they levy on mountain homes with nice views ? Gas tax is 20 cents a gallon more than South Carolina.

    We could go n and on. If money doesn’t matter North Carolina is better.

    by Ron — July 7, 2016

  413. Sandy Z

    Does your flood insurance cover hurricanes or do you pay additional for Hurricane insurance?

    Also how old is your home? If built after 1987 you reflect the lower rates. Prior to 1987 rates increase annually I’m told.

    by Ron — July 7, 2016

  414. It is also important to remember that with taxes you get what you pay for. I love that our property taxes are much lower than they were in Michigan. However, those lower taxes do not cover trash pickup which is also a separate charge. They do not cover fire protection since we live in an unincorporated area of our county. This has resulted in many homeowners paying more for their insurance as the nearest fire station is more than 5 miles away and an all volunteer squad. Our developer has provided land for a a station within our community but thereis no money so we as a community are doing many different fundraisers to assist in the construction in a timely manner. Our fire department will be a contracted station, again because of being in an unincorporated part of the county. I don’t fully understand how it all works but we are and will be paying for it,just not in our taxes.

    As Ron mentioned, our gas tax is 20 cents per gallon less than NC and we have the roads to prove it. The State Legislature has been arguing about road funding for at least as long as the 3 years we have been living here. Meanwhile, the roads and bridges continue to deteriorate.

    With that being said, we are still very happy with our choice of retiring to SC!

    by Kathy — July 7, 2016

  415. Ron – our homeowners’ insurance covers wind and hail, our flood insurance covers water damage, including flash flood damage,which is supposedly a threat here in the Lowcountry. Yes. Our home was built in 2004, so rates are lower for homeowners insurance. We also have discounts for hurricane window protection, a security system, and full time gated security for our community. Also, we bundled with our car insurance. Ours was dumb luck, as we did not know about the insurance discounts when we were house-hunting. It is probably a good idea to touch base with an insurance agent before finalizing a purchase and sale agreement in a new area.

    by SandyZ — July 8, 2016

  416. Ron – I’m not questioning the integrity of your statements on the NC “view tax”, but I cannot find anything about it on the Internet. Can you steer me to info on this? Is there possibly another name for it? Thanks!

    by Dave C — July 8, 2016

  417. Sandy Z

    I spoke with my friends who live near Asheville, NC. They told me that it is not a separate tax but baked into the property value of lots with good views and carried in the real estate taxes

    Hope that clarifies your question.

    by Ron — July 9, 2016

  418. Dave C-never heard of a “view tax”. Furthermore, having just closed on a house in Waynesville, NC, it did not appear on any of my closing documents. Seems to be someone’s imagination. What it might pertain to more likely is -as always, the 3 rules of real estate. Location, location, location. Rules that govern prices in every market, in every state.

    by Doc Stickel — July 9, 2016

  419. Ron, I think the so-called “view tax” is a figment of your perhaps overzealous quest to “prove” SC is better than NC. Across the country, property taxes are assessed based on the value of property in a give area. Areas with “special” features like prime mountain view, beach front, gate communities, etc. are almost always assessed higher than a comparable house next to a landfill or in a rural area far from amenities or any other “deficit”.

    My property when we bought it was in one of those “remote” rural areas. It is amazing how high the assessment has become as the area built up and the community became known for it’s special environmental covenants.

    Ron is correct in many of his tax comparisons, but not on this one. SC gas tax is significantly lower than NC. And as stated by Kathy above, South Carolinians get less road repair and development than NC. I made my choice long ago and I think there are much more important reasons to consider NC over SC than bickering over taxes.

    Believe me, if you are in the right place in SC, it can be a wonderful place to live. I was visiting Columbia, SC when I had a heat attack. While my home is 15 miles from one of the best medical facilities in the world, retrospectively, I can say that I’m happy I was in Columbia, another known center for cardiac care and not in some remote area in any state that has little or questionable medical service.

    by Rich — July 9, 2016

  420. In my (probably too quick) scan of the posts I noticed no mention of the recent anti-LGBT (especially T) legislation in NC. While the lower cost of living is highly attractive (we’re in MA), I have to wonder what the social/political climate is like for a couple like us. Does anyone have experience or insight about how safe or supportive either state would be?

    by Brian — July 9, 2016

  421. Need advice
    We are retired n fixed income and want to look into South Carolina adult communities like Del Webb and the lakes at cane bay.

    We need a good medical facility also did not know until today that this new homes did not include prices for lots. We bought a resale 28 years ago here in New. York
    Need suggestions
    Is it better to buy a resale ?

    thanks, ann

    by Ann — July 9, 2016

  422. Brian, Much to the dismay of many of us, NC is in the throes of a reactionary, conservative government. The anti-LGBT issue will unfortunately have to be resolved by the courts and by the next several election cycles.

    On this issue, I am not proud to be a North Carolinian. Nor are most of the people I know and those I hear from all over the state and out-of-state. This state is not horribly anti-LGBT. This HB2 was brought about by a conservative reaction to an LGBT-supportive law passed by the city of Charlotte. Unfortunately, none of us in NC can completely answer your concern.

    My belief is that this is a sad, discriminatory episode in the history of the state — a throwback to the prejudices of earlier times. I think you will have to visit or inquire about any specific areas that you wish to consider to better make any decision. SC has a reputation of being more conservative, but it is NC that suffers from a tarnished reputation on this matter. For the most part, the Chapel Hill/Research Triangle area is significantly more progressive as is Charlotte and other places. It would be best if you could specify towns or regions and get feedback directly from those actually living there.

    My regrets that this ever came to be.

    by Rich — July 10, 2016

  423. Rich, as a future resident, I couldn’t have chosen better words……..live and let live, my mother used say?

    by doc stickel — July 11, 2016

  424. Brian,

    You have nailed some of the major issues with North Carolina on the head! Unfortunately the minority backwards thinkers have taken NC hostage over the last 10 years I have lived here. Charlotte area is also more liberal.

    by Ron — July 11, 2016

  425. Does anyone know anything about the Calabash NC area?

    by Diane — July 11, 2016

  426. I too will be a new residents of NC from southern California. This is hard to digest, but unfortunately the ignorance of a few shouldn’t define the rest of us.

    by Judy — July 11, 2016

  427. My child will be attending Gardner-Webb University in August. As her mother, with nothing keeping me where I am, I am looking to find a place somewhere within an hour from the school where she can visit. I would like to rent a home/townhome/apartment/condo/villa (preferably furnished) and have spoken to several RE agents who cannot help me. I would prefer a short term lease which would give me enough time to look around for a house to purchase. I am looking in both North and South Carolina but am not familiar with either. Can someone give me any information on where the best places to stay are that are reasonably priced? There seems to be a lack of furnished rentals, so if I need to furnish and the price is right, that would be fine. I was looking at some Corporate housing/Extended Stays and the prices were way to high. Any suggestions? I am running out of time.

    by Sandi H — July 11, 2016

  428. By far – North Carolina is the choice of the two. Obviously, this will be a culture shock to left-coasters (CA), but as for me (and many others), there is something to be said for a state where majority and common sense rules. Truth be told the MINORITY is the LGBT community, but specifically, transgenders make up 0.03% of the population. Let’s do what’s best for 99.97% of our people.

    Politics aside, we have researched both NC and SC and have found prices and choices for homes to be better in NC. We have yet to look into taxes.

    by Liz — July 11, 2016

  429. Judy,

    North Carolina has much to offer from a outdoors and beach action state. Unfortunately diversity is not one of the states strong points as is obvious.

    If you enjoy the great outdoors NC and SC have a lot to offer. Each region in the Carolinas has a little bit different geography. North of Charlotte you can visit the first gold mine in the U.S. Around Charlotte there are still abandoned mines that occasionally collapse.

    Research Triangle Park area and Greenberg SC are probably the most diverse.

    by Ron — July 12, 2016

  430. I would like other’s experiences as to where in North and South Carolina is the most progressive vs. traditional conservative in religion, politics and where are the best medical facilities.
    Thank you for your assistance.

    by Lee Sanders — July 12, 2016

  431. I’m currently considering a move from Mexico, where I have lived for the past 6 years, to Franklin, NC. I have been looking at several adult mobile home parks that seem well taken care of and the people seem friendly. Has anyone lived in the Franklin, NC area? Apparently most of the people there also have homes in Florida, where they go in Oct. or Nov. then they return in the spring. My daughter and grand-kids just moved to Simpsonville, SC so that would be about a 2 hour drive for me to visit. It’s also cooler there than in South Carolina which I like. I also would leave when it gets too cold. I lived in Maine for 20 years and that was enough for me. Mexico is probably where I would return along with the rest of the snowbirds. Thanks for any input on Frankiln…Betsy

    by Betsy — July 12, 2016

  432. Betsy,
    how long has your daughter been there and how does she like it. Simpsonville SC is
    my target in about a year . been there twice . could you ask her how much her home ins
    premium is , as no one had the answer for me .also tell her if she hasn’t gone already
    to the ICE CREAM STATION . good luck & thanks .

    by john v — July 13, 2016

  433. John V – when I had a similar question I contacted my current local agent who put me in touch with an agent in the area I was interested in moving to. You will have to supply an address (or two). Easy enough if you go on realtor.com and get something that is similar to what you want to buy. Can’t guarantee, but it worked for me.

    by Rob — July 13, 2016

  434. Thanks for your input, and for the reassurance many of you offered. My mother lives in a fairly conservative area; yet am surprised by how much acceptance I find even there. However, I have learned that laws matter. In the 90s, Colorado passed an amendment that essentially made it illegal to seek justice for anti-LGBT hate crimes. Shortly after, a friend of mine experienced an intolerable level of harassment and vandalism to his bed and breakfast business – which was also his home that he built by hand himself. There was no recourse for him, and no consequence for the perpetrators. He and his husband ended up selling and leaving the state.

    Liz, your comment about common sense and how small a minority the transgender population is – is extremely unkind. Their lives are at stake, but apparently since 99.7% other lives are not at risk this is acceptable to you? They are already a highly targeted group and now they can be further harassed for needing to pee? This is precisely the kind of atmosphere that would be too hostile for me to feel safe, even though neither I nor my husband are transgender.

    by Brian — July 13, 2016

  435. This may seem off-track but this particular rant goes to quality of living, personal philosophy and culture – all matters that help us decide where to live.

    Sometimes I revisit comments as there is so much great information here. However, there is a comment here that is so mean-spirited that I am moved to respond.

    Liz seems to think that denying LGBTQ rights is okay since they are such a small percentage of the population.

    I am a straight white woman who has a pretty good life. I don’t have to worry about being denied a wedding license, a wedding cake, or the ability to go to the bathroom as all humans do.

    I do have to worry about running into someone who hates Jewish people because, well, whatever one’s excuse might be. Usually it’s ignorance, hatred, bigotry or lunacy.

    My family moved from a nice home in NC when I was little thanks to a cross burning across the street with a clear threat to our family. We continued to live in the state and I remember seeing protesters in 1964, Black men and women who wanted to be able to take a seat at the lunch counter or be able to drink from a convenient water fountain or use a nearby restroom.

    What is it with people who decide that their “rights” are more than any other person’s? The truth is that we are all born into this world in whatever condition biology hands us. We don’t have any control over that.

    We all have equal rights. NC’s vote and this mentality that Liz displayed is exactly the reason why NC is out of the running as a place for us to retire.

    Can’t you find a little kindness? If not compassion, then aim for tolerance.

    by Marcia — July 13, 2016

  436. Marcia – thank you for your post. Very well said.

    by David — July 13, 2016

  437. Marcia. Applause. Applause. Our generation was renowned for fighting for the rights and freedoms guaranteed to all citizens by our Constitution. However, please keep in mind that the citizens of NC, SC and other states do not all support the same thing….and we could need your votes to move forward.

    by Kate — July 14, 2016

  438. Another note: In a recent newspaper article on the percentages of voters in Lancaster County, SC, it was reported that the residents of the Del Web Sun City were voting at signficantly higher percentages than other residents of the County. In fact, they are controlling election results and candidates are accordingly seeking their votes. I suspect this is the case wherever the Baby Boomers relocate, bringing different views (and their votes) to other states!

    by Kate — July 14, 2016

  439. For John V about real estate taxes in Simpsonville, SC. My daughter determined that in general, the real estate taxes are about 2% of the selling price. I’m visiting her now for 5 weeks, and from my visit I would think anyone would like it here. It has experienced quite a bit of growth lately, and it seems to me that the infrastructure is struggling to accommodate the increase in traffic…so during the morning and evening rush hours, things can get fairly slow and congested. The rest of the day things flow normally. Also, it is 8 degrees on average hotter than the ‘hills’ of NC, I’ve noticed. Also, there has been a drought this spring and summer and all are hoping for more rain. There seems to be more developments being built for retirees as well.

    by Betsy — July 14, 2016

  440. PS I meant to mention that the area I am purchasing a mobile home in, is Franklin, NC…and that is where the temperatures are around 8 degrees cooler this summer, due to the altitude, which is why I will be moving there instead of SC. It’s also a lot smaller and slower paced which also appeals to me. Gasoline though is about 10-20 cents a gallon higher in NC, but I could always take a little drive to visit the grand-kids and fill up in Simpsonville! I have not noticed any negative behaviors or attitudes towards people of color of other different races or creeds. Actually both Franklin and Simpsonville seem to have an international flavor to them, which I like.

    by Betsy — July 14, 2016

  441. Marcia; Any business should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, it’s THEIR right to run THEIR business without fear of predatory law suits. There are those who purposly seek out “opportunities” and lawyers who encourage them. Why should anyone be “forced”to perform a function that offends their principals to preserve the source of income? There are many mor who will cater to their needs.

    by Jeff — July 14, 2016

  442. We’re probably veering way off course with this discussion, and will most likely hear about that soon but….Marcia, well spoken, couldn’t agree more. Jeff, Couldn’t DISAGREE more! And, and….we had a family business since 1912. It was always, come one, come all. Everyone’s money seemed to be green. And, experience proved that we could have customer relations problems with anyone, not just folks who didn’t look or think like us.

    by Doc Stickel — July 14, 2016

  443. Marcia, Kate, Doc — thank you so much for speaking up and confirming to me that many of my generation do continue to share the values we so treasured in the ’60s. Notice how many of us are from or live in NC.

    Brian, Kate — I would again say that NC (and most of the US) has great potential for retirees. Having roamed most of the country for most of my life and especially widely during retirement, I can tell you that prejudice and fear of the “not like me” is present all over. NC is not a haven for hatred. Look around — Texas, Minnesota, Michigan… — sadly, and seemingly endlessly the examples go on and on. Don’t allow something you saw in the media to limit your options.

    When I was young (very naive and very impressionable), I was shocked to hear, at different times, my grandfather and even my own father, use racially disparaging words. They were from (and we were living in) Connecticut at the time.

    by Rich — July 14, 2016

  444. Liz,
    I’m so sorry for your views of “in the minority” and beliefs that those persons right should be tossed away like yesterday’s garbage. I’m very sad for you. In case you didn’t already know it, your views are the minority of our great nation and most of the other great nations in the world. Are you prepared to be thrown away like yesterday’s garbage? Any % of intolerance of people who may not not fit your perfect mold, are still God’s children and are human beings with the same God given rights as you. Most importantly, we all just want to love and be loved by whomever we chose and live a happy life and should be afforded that freedom and given every bit of respect and consideration as the next person.

    by Judy — July 14, 2016

  445. What kind of a country would we have if any business was allowed to discriminate against anybody they don’t like – especially if that person has attributes that they cannot control. It is sad that bigotry still is alive and well in America.

    by harry — July 14, 2016

  446. Judy, don’t say you speak for the majority of the nation, especially the citizens of North Carolina. All people in North Carolina have the same rights, no matter whether they are part of the 99.97% or the .03%. The .03% should not have special rules and should not dictate what the 99.97% must do. Sorry, but in this case, the majority of voters in our state would agree with that and I’m willing to bet that if put to a vote in most states, the results would be the same. There are area’s in the state where liberals are willing to bend over backwards to appease the demands of these minorities but the majority of people just want to live and let live regardless of other’s beliefs or sexual orientation. The press and activists have completely blown the law out of proportion but if you want to believe the state of North Carolina is going out of it’s way to discriminate against these minorities, have at it and stay away but…. you are wrong.

    by Dick — July 15, 2016

  447. Can anyone tell me what Johns and James Island is like in SC?

    by Carol — July 15, 2016

  448. I’ve been reluctant to enter this fray, and I don’t understand why some of these posts (which have become very personal) haven’t been deleted because the editor came in not long ago and said she deleted somebody’s else’s post for just that same reason. That said, in bringing this conversation back to retirement choices — in my opinion the bottom line is this. If your politics swing far left, avoid picking a retirement location that falls along the Bible belt of the deep south. Problem solved. As an aside, I asked my grand-daughter to read this thread. She responded by saying that at her school this would be considered cyber-bullying.

    by Alice — July 15, 2016

  449. Thanks to all for their comments on the issue originally raised by Brian about the LGBT legislation in NC and where he would feel comfortable living in the Tarheel State. We allowed the discussion to go along, probably further than it needed to, because it was a legitimate question. Now, as Alice correctly points out, it is time to return to retirement choices. Further posts on politics will be deleted. Thanks for your understanding.

    by Admin — July 15, 2016

  450. Can we please keep the discussion confined to retirement issues. Thanks.

    by Dan Hussey — July 15, 2016

  451. Also “well said”, thanks Alice and “Admin”.

    And talking about retirement places, it occurred to me how many may remember the NC ads promoting the state as “Variety Vacationland”. I just googled it and found that is archival material now. :<) But thinking along those lines, I had mentioned to Doc Stickel in a private note that this year we had decided against a multi-state road trip for various reasons. That left us only with NC destinations. We started with a NC/TN border trip to a cabin overlooking a drop hundreds of feet to the New River near Lansing, NC. And coming up is a family wedding at Lake Lure, NC. And following that my first ever trip to the Outer Banks to visit the Wright Brothers Memorial at Kitty Hawk. In between, I'm enjoying my own back yard here minutes from Chapel Hill, Raleigh and even Fayetteville. Truly "Variety Vacationland".

    by Rich — July 15, 2016

  452. Admin, it’s not appropriate to ban all political speech in this forum. Why? Because for many of us the political leanings of a town or area are very important in our decision to live there. I think civil discussion is the right goal, and I’m glad you are there to step in when things get out of hand. But an outright ban is going overboard.

    by Barbara — July 15, 2016

  453. I agree with Barbara, banning all political speech is overboard. It is VERY important to me if an area is Conservative or Liberal! That is one of the major reasons I would or would not choose a place.

    by Phyllis — July 16, 2016

  454. I am delighted to see the politics left out of this site – there is plenty in the news and social media to detect the left or right leanings of any location. Personally, we have seen the full spectrum of political opinions in both Maine (supposedly liberal) and South Carolina (supposedly conservative). If you desire to get into the fray in retirement, you will seek out and find like-minded folks wherever you settle in.

    by SandyZ — July 16, 2016

  455. Frankly, why should some be able to post their views but the rest are deleted? If you allow some, you should allow them all. I love this forum, but sometimes I don’t get it.

    by Vickie — July 16, 2016

  456. Vickie, I manage a small community forum on which three topics are forbidden — politics, religion and ANY personal slurs. One problem is that, as SandyZ said, there is plenty in the media and plenty of forums cater to it. But I find the major issue to be the quick escalation of animosities that these things can generate. Friends and neighbors become frosty and belligerent. A significant part of this is that with verbal, face-to-face conversation, you can say things with nuance and expression in a way that helps keep things under control. The naked, printed word has none of that — especially on the internet where all parties are basically unknown and the “word” is taken for whatever the READER happens to put in it.

    So I think the policy is a good one. Barbara’s point has merit — it is helpful to better understand a place, and I think the Admins do a great job of filtering/moderating before things go to far. I hope some of the comments expressed in this thread have helped those who may be far away to understand that all is not as it it depicted in the media. Frankly, regardless of viewpoint, most people ARE good.

    by Rich — July 16, 2016

  457. I think once a comment is posted about politics, responses should be allowed. Also – as a writer I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of the press. If we are ever going to come together as a country, I think we should forget the PC speech police and be honest and open with each other. Even to the point of saying, ‘We agree to disagree.”

    I appreciate having had the opportunity to say this.

    by Liz — July 16, 2016

  458. Any time there is a moderated forum you have to accept the fact that the moderator has the right to delete a comment or send a conversation in a different direction, or halt it entirely. This is not an abridgment of anyone’s freedom of speech or a denial of freedom of the press. I do find it helpful if someone says, “I am a liberal and I find this town’s politics too conservative for my taste” or I am a member of ‘such and such church’ and find this a welcoming community. But, there are plenty of other forums, blogs, etc. where people can express specific opinions about race, gender, the LGBT community, Trump, Clinton, or any variety of potentially inflammatory topics. So yes … while responses ‘may’ be allowed if deemed appropriate by the moderator, I think that the threads, by definition, should be moderated!

    by Sheila — July 17, 2016

  459. Thank you, Admin.
    Please continue moderating this entire web site by limiting it to only retirement topics.

    There are plenty of other web sites and venues to freely express one’s freedom of speech by discussing or venting political, religious and or personal views.

    Therefore, please let this web site be for retirement purposes only.

    by ColoradoLiving — July 18, 2016

  460. Can someone please advise me where to look up politics, religions and good medical facilities in North and South Carolina towns since it is not appropriate to discuss in this blog. I just need to know where to begin to look that would fit me. And, to do that I need info on politics, religion. Thank you.

    by Lee Sanders — July 18, 2016

  461. Wow – it was not my intention to set off such a conflagration… but I feel I have to weigh in one more time.

    Our retirement choice isn’t ***just*** about politics. There are many communities where LGBT people are protected, welcomed, safe… and most of them are out of our reach. For example, I would love to retire to Provincetown, the one place I have felt that I didn’t have to keep looking over my shoulder in case I did something that looked too “gay” (like hold my husband’s hand). Unfortunately, we don’t have $350k to spend on a home, and in Ptown what that buys is a 200 square foot pied-à-terre. I love New England (and mostly enjoy the winter, especially if someone else is shoveling) – but most of New England is **expensive.** I’m a teacher, with only a teacher’s salary and pension coming; my husband’s employer has been cutting benefits for years, so when we both retire we can only expect his income to be supplemental. To live within our means more or less means living on what we could afford on 2/3 of my pension (which would be his survivor benefit if something happens to me).

    And, as it turns out, some of the most affordable places to live in the country are in areas with a less than favorable political climate – and economically speaking, we more or less have to at least consider them. It also turns out, the more remote and isolated, the more affordable – but what I fear is finding myself in the same circumstances my mother faces. She’s 88, lives in rural Pennsylvania, and is barely able to manage living alone in her home (Dad passed away five years ago). The moment she is no longer able to drive she will be marooned in her home. Nothing is in walking distance – and at this point in her life her mobility is limited enough that the mailbox at the end of her driveway is no longer within HER walking distance). What I want for my old age is a community where I can thrive and be culturally stimulated, even when I’m no longer able to chauffeur myself. Once again, many of THOSE locations (urban areas with large LGBT communities) are also financially out of reach.

    Which brings us back to what can we afford, and where are we likely to find it? The same questions all retirees ask, except for us, whether we want it to be or not, it ends up being a political discussion. Having dinner in public together ends up being a political statement (and yes, we’ve had insults yelled at us, even here in MA, for having dinner together). Walking down the street with friends ends up being a political statement. If I hold my husband’s hand, like millions of other couples do, now we’re making blatant displays of our “lifestyle” (how I hate that word), and it ends up being a political statement.

    So whether I want it to be or not, our choice for retirement is political by default.

    One last thought – despite the awfulness of the current legal situation in North Carolina, I still felt that my question was a legitimate one. The rural area where Mom lives is deeply conservative. AND, long ago, I discovered an interesting truth: that I will find what I’m looking for. If I go looking for hostility, I will find it. If I go looking for support, I will find that too. To my surprise and extreme gratitude, I found much MORE support than I thought existed out there. Which brings me back to ***why*** I felt the need to inquire about the situation in North Carolina. I wanted to know if, despite appearances, there was ***enough*** support to warrant further consideration of a beautiful part of the country ***that we can afford.***

    by Brian — July 18, 2016

  462. Brian,
    Have you considered the Atlanta, Georgia area? I am from eastern PA, which is pretty much a mix of liberals and conservatives. I find metro Atlanta to be pretty much the same. There are some beautiful areas here in Georgia. The cost of living has gone up since I first moved here though. Housing market is booming here again and prices are up. The farther out from Atlanta you get, the less costly but also more, conservative.
    Good luck in your search!

    by Kathy — July 19, 2016

  463. Lee Sanders
    You can find info on politics, religion, hospitals, taxes and a lot more on City-Data.com and on Sperling’s Best Places.

    by LS — July 19, 2016

  464. My child will be attending Gardner-Webb University in August. As her mother, with nothing keeping me where I am, I am looking to find a place somewhere within an hour from the school where she can visit. I would like to rent a home/townhome/apartment/condo/villa (preferably furnished) and have spoken to several RE agents who cannot help me. I would prefer a short term lease which would give me enough time to look around for a house to purchase. I am looking in both North and South Carolina but am not familiar with either. Can someone give me any information on where the best places to stay are that are reasonably priced? There seems to be a lack of furnished rentals, so if I need to furnish and the price is right, that would be fine. I was looking at some Corporate housing/Extended Stays and the prices were way to high. Any suggestions? I am running out of time.

    by Sandi H — July 19, 2016

  465. L.S., thank you for your advice.
    Lee Sanders

    by Lee Sanders — July 19, 2016

  466. Lee Sanders, a couple more ideas: 1) google state election maps broken down by county. 2) Go online and read local newspapers paying close attention to the front page (the slant or bias taken as to how the news is reported), the editorial page and the letters to the editor. Most newspapers now give you 10 free clicks within the paper per month without having to subscribe, and the front page is usually free.

    by Alice — July 19, 2016

  467. Brian, please please consider coming to take a look at northern California. I live in Sacramento and can assure you that being gay here is simply not an issue. I and am very much on board with supporting LBGT friends and neighbors. I am not LBGT myself, but for many years I was in medical practice in the part of town that they consider “theirs.” Therefore I had quite a large proportion of patients who were LGBT, and I loved them all. Some of the nicest people I ever met. You really have nothing to fear for here, Brian. People will not gawk or whisper indignities. You and your husband will be welcomed by 99.99%. I know it because I’ve seen it, and I love that we’re like that here.
    Now, all that aside, I am a conservative and am longing to leave California because I feel my liberal friends and neighbors have utterly destroyed this beautiful state. Sanctuary cities (no respect for the law), social programs that only encourage dependency, and so on. It’s a nanny state here, and I just can’t take it.
    And it’s the United States Constitution that says I don’t have to sit here and take it. That’s what is so great about the wisdom of the founding fathers to incorporate the concept of states’ rights into our founding documents. Every state has the right to make their own laws and celebrate their own customs as long as the US constitution is not violated. I want to seek out a state where the government has a light hand and where I can revel in freedom to do, say, and be what I want. I think I’ll be right at home in NC or SC, where I’ll actually feel that my voice is heard when I go to the polls. Here in CA, I’m the only conservative on my block, and I know my vote means nothing. The state won’t miss me at all when I’m gone!
    So Brian, please consider Sacramento. I’ve read everything you’ve written and I just can’t help but think you’d be really happy here. It is NOT expensive to buy a home here either. I wish you and your husband the best of luck.

    by Barbara — July 19, 2016

  468. Brian- thanks for the excellent explanation of why this topic is appropriate for this forum. I’m 66 and have moved about every two years since graduating (job). Having lived in this many places I have found that, unless you have strong hermit tendencies, the political and social “climate” and relative inclusiveness of an area is an essential element in personal happiness. Politics, religion and certain lifestyle issues are much harder to discuss reasonably than, say, taxes or the weather, so I understand admin on this site being cautious. But as retirees considering a major move, we need to be aware of the challenges of how we fit into a new community.

    by Tim — July 19, 2016

  469. I’ve already moved…..big time, but my heart goes out to you Brian. I don’t know what happened to the live and let live philosophy. We’ve moved from liberal Seattle to Lexington, Ky, at my husbands insistence. The people are lovely, real estate reasonableness (we live in town in a two bed two and a half bath, with two car garage) for just in the six figures, and there’s a lot here from $75,000 with one bath. I think Ky is considered a conservative state, but I’ve heard of no unpleasantness towards people of a different lifestyle. There’s a lot to do here, and the scenery is breathtaking. This is a small city with a big heart. Come and visit.

    by Joyce — July 20, 2016

  470. I am new to this forum but after reading these posts I have decided I want to move wherever Brian is moving! My husband is retiring in a year and I am retired. We now live in the Monterey Bay area of California and yes, it is extremely beautiful and the weather is perfect and the politics liberal but…….the median home price is over $800,000
    and we still owe quite a mortgage as we bought high. Been traveling the country and have visited Port Townsend and Sequim on the coast in Washington, Beaufort in South Carolina and Asheville in North Carolina. In October we are visiting the Florida panhandle and New Orleans area ( across Lake Ponchatrain) I did live in New Orleans for 15 years so know the area. We are both very liberal…..my husband DID run a rock and roll club for 20 years!! 🙂 We are looking for what many of us want…..scenic beauty, home price no higher than $300,00 ( less would be great!!) decent weather, and people we can converse with. I grew up moving all over the country and overseas so am lucky to feel we will do fine with such a big move. Been in California for 25 years and would stay if the cost of living weren’t so high. No decisions have been made yet……..it’s a lot of work, this planning stage. We enjoy people of every color or sexual identity and want community that is diverse ……so many places that offer this are getting too difficult to afford. Search continues.

    by Jean — July 20, 2016

  471. A thought for Brian about Asheville which is very high on our list. We were there recently for a wedding and our friends are artists that work in glass. We met many LGBT people there and the West Ashley neighborhood is very liberal, progressive and welcoming to all!! We met many talented, wonderful and welcoming people!! The area is beautiful, the weather from what we have been told is almost perfect. Snow in the winter but not much and it melts quickly. Home prices seem to be rising because of all this but you can still find something reasonable. We haven’t pulled the trigger yet as we are still searching but Asheville and the surrounding towns esp Black Mountain offer a most beautiful option!

    by Jean — July 21, 2016

  472. Hi I currently live in NY 15 mins from NYC and am interested in purchasing a “golf condo” in a golf community that has a rental program where they rent your unit for you (for a management fee). I’m not ready to retire for 4-5 more years so I would only use the unit 4-5 weeks a year so the rental is important to me. I looked at 2 places…The Legends in Myrtle Beach, and Brunswick Plantation in Calabash NC. They were both nice but different. Can anyone give me input on these 2 places and/or recommend any other places that fit this description? I’ll check back on this blog for any responses. Thanks, Tommy T

    by Tommy T — July 21, 2016

  473. This comment is from Jennifer; we moved it here where it fits better:

    Dear All:

    I need some assistance. How is it REALLY to retire in North Carolina? Are the taxes high? How is medical care? I am looking at an area south of Asheville. I ‘d love to hear the real deal.


    by Admin — August 2, 2016

  474. How is it REALLY? Depends on where you live and where you are from. If you are somewhat liberal minded, Asheville is one place to go. Many areas have a conservative view as I do. Just don’t move to North Carolina or any state for that matter expecting it to be like the state you are moving from.
    Are the taxes high? It depends on where you are moving from.
    How is medical care? It depends on where you are moving to. I live in Wilmington and the medical care is outstanding. I can’t speak for Asheville.

    by Dick — August 3, 2016

  475. Hi Dick:
    I would be moving from Washington, DC where taxes are VERY high. I am considering a village south of Asheville. I have lived all over the world and so am adaptable–I NEVER expect things to be the same from place to place. I am a former nurse and embrace natural and holistic medicine. My concern is that there be enough to do and cultural activities. Is anyone already retired in North Carolina in the mountains who can comment? I would most likely be downsizing to a Park Model community.


    by Jennifer — August 3, 2016

  476. Brian
    Try taking a look at Bucks County PA, especially the New Hope area. It has been historically LGBT friendly. It can be pricey, but there are condos and town houses that come on the market. PA is favorable with no SS or pensions taxed. Northern and central Bucks county are beautiful areas, with loads of restaurants, music venues and outdoor activities. There is bus service to NY and surrounding towns. You’re close to NYC, Philadelphia, and mom.

    by Florence — August 3, 2016

  477. Brian-
    Sorry if I forgot–
    Bucks County PA!!!

    by Florence — August 3, 2016

  478. Jennifer, have you actually visited in the area of NC you ask about? From what I know of the area (quite a bit), I think you would be enthralled with it. But locating in a community as you indicate, you would also be isolated from the “place” that is NC. Asheville has much to offer, but it has nearby fringe areas that can be quite remote and you and your interests might be considered rather freakish. (Frankly, that last statement could probably be applied to almost any specific area of the country.)

    by Rich — August 3, 2016

  479. Hi Rich:

    I have been to Asheville many times and loved it there. What interests would be considered “freakish”? Downsizing in to an organic farm community? I am a divorced single woman with only one income, not two, so I would prefer to be in a community type setting with small, but upscale housing options, near a larger city, so all my money doesn’t go to taxes and paying for a large dwelling that I do not need. I will not have a pension check coming in every month….in my field, nursing, they only started offering 401K’s twenty years ago and while I have taken advantage of all those options, I have not made hundreds of thousands of dollars in the stock market and 2008 hit my plan very hard. Defined Benefit Plans have never been offered to me, but then I am not yet of retirement age—only looking ahead. I do own my own home in Washington, DC which if I chose to sell would allow me to buy a smaller home for less and pocket the balance. I am a saver, but Washington, DC is getting more expensive every year–even for working people.

    by Jennifer — August 4, 2016

  480. Jennifer,
    If I were you I would consider renting just to see if you like it. I’m originally from up North but have lived in the Atlanta metro for over 20 years. The rural south is culturally very different than other areas of the country. I have talked to people who moved into small southern communities and never really felt like they belonged.

    by Jim C — August 4, 2016

  481. Jennifer, by “freakish” I simply meant “somewhat out of the ordinary” as opposed to “freak” being “way out of the ordinary — strange”. Asheville area has many flavors and probably anyone could feel at home there somewhere. Asheville tops our list of places to live other than where we are. As Jim C said, in some parts you may never fully “belong”, but that could be true anywhere and in Asheville you would just be another of the less conventional. Having lived in No Va outside DC for years, I understand the potential for improving you financial condition — it could be a major improvement so good luck with it.

    Renting, as Jim C suggested, could be a good option so that you have time to find your special part of Asheville (or anywhere). But that does take a resolve to probably move again within a relatively short time (months, years). However, my sister has found an excellent rental situation (for her) that will probably remain stable and she has no plans to buy or move. The one little concern is that she can’t control future events. But even having owned my own home for over 20 years, I also still can’t control future events.

    by Rich — August 4, 2016

  482. Jennifer, It’s too late for this year, but next year you should check out the Creative Retirement Exploration Weekend (CREW) put on by OLLI at UNC-Asheville. I attended a couple of years ago. It’s two days of info about relocating in retirement and a third day that’s specifically about Asheville. Of course many of the speakers are people who have relocated to Asheville and so you get a taste of that the first two days as well. One of the speakers was a realtor and he can probably provide you with a lot of info on taxes and the like. His name was Greg Walker and he’s with Beverly Hanks. I got their newsletter for awhile but when I decided not to relocate there I had them take me off their mailing list. It has info about housing in the surrounding counties also. The OLLI (Osher Lifelong Learning) program there appears to be outstanding. It’s not an inexpensive weekend but I enjoyed it.

    by Tessa — August 6, 2016

  483. Thanks for your suggestion Tessa. I will look into it.

    by Jennifer — August 7, 2016

  484. Tommy T If you’re at all interested in Gulf Coast Florida, north of Tampa Bay, check out Innisbrook Resort in Palm Harbor, just north of Dunedin.

    by Florence — August 7, 2016

  485. What does anyone know about Nashville, TN.? A friend of mine who lived in Gulf Breeze, FL called me and told me that he moved successfully to Lenox Park in Nashville. He bought a lovely townhouse in a newer walkable community. So far he loves the change. He hated Pensacola once his partner of 30 years died. We were always dodging the thunderstorms that were a daily occurrence. He would not speak on the phone in case of lightning–I could not blame him. He seems happier in Tennessee and Nashville seems very interesting. He told me this is a very desirable area of Nashville. Thank god he has a male friend who took charge and helped him with the move and sale of his former home in Pensacola.

    by Jennifer — August 8, 2016

  486. Hi Jennifer. I lived in Mt. Juliet (a town east of Nashville) and Bellevue (an area of west Nashville). If I remember correctly Lenox Park is actually on the west side of Brentwood, TN. Brentwood is an area on the south side of the City of Nashville. Wife and I hiked Percy Warner park, just northwest of where I think the Lenox Park neighborhood is.
    IF (a big if) I am correct as to its location, to describe Lenox Park/Brentwood as “very desirable area” is an understatement. Very nice, very expen$ive. Bring boatloads of cash. If a realtor describes him/herself as a ‘multi-million dollar seller’ in greater Brentwood it means he sold two houses in his career. Brentwood is to Nashville like Bel Air is to Los Angeles (accounting for the inflated CA surcharges, where every piece of property costs 4 times as much as similar property in any other state). As far as I know the only place more expensive in the greater Nashville area would be Belle Meade (where Al Gore lives).
    As to his state of mind, I would be happier in Brentwood too. So the question should not be about Nashville, an ordinary city with the same problems that other ordinary cities have with crime, congestion and gridlock, but instead should be about the rarefied atmosphere of Brentwood.
    I can’t speak to Brentwood (other than I’d love to live there), but I can say the weather is OK, hot and humid in the summer (air conditioners will become sources of water, miniature creeks at times), winter very mild, forget about buying a snow shovel, if I remember correctly the temp never really gets below 50 for more than a day or so at a time.
    Central TN is very pretty, lush green, rolling hills. Again, plenty of hiking in the numerous parks all around metro Nashville. Percy Warner was our favorite, Lake Radnor was nice. Shopping galore, Oprey Mills is nice, as is Cool Springs Galleria on the south side of Brentwood (Franklin, TN). Never made it to downtown Nashville, was never into night life.
    As far as cultural, the greater Metro Nashville area cannot really be considered ‘The South’, especially in the richer sections of town. Many folks seem to be from someplace else. Less red neck, more cosmopolitan. In the Deloitte Touche office I worked in roughly half were non-native. Think of Nashville as Tennessee’s version of Austin Texas, blue surrounded by red. Once outside the metro area it’s back to being a red state. After all, this is a state that passed a law (wisely vetoed by the Governor) declaring the Bible as the State’s official book.
    I am happy where I am at in the far eastern part of the state, but if we ever wanted a more ‘city’ atmosphere we wouldn’t mind moving back to Nashville… especially if we had the money for a place like Brentwood.

    by Art Bonds — August 9, 2016

  487. Art, careful about that memory! :<) Temps in Nashville can go below 50 (to monthly average of freezing or lower) for six months of the year.

    by Rich — August 9, 2016

  488. Hi Rich, yes, it can go below 50, and extremes can be found almost anywhere. I was, of course, talking generalities, averages.
    You know what they say about averages? A man whose torso is in a blast furnace and lower body encased in ice can tell you “On average I feel fine”. 😉

    by Art Bonds — August 10, 2016

  489. Thank you Art and Rich–now I understand why my friend loves where he now lives.

    by Jennifer — August 10, 2016

  490. We are hoping to move to Sc by Feb of 2017. Can anyone tell me anything about The Deerfield Plantation area
    in Surfside Beach?? We are planning to rent,so would just like some info on if the area is kept looking nice etc…

    by Kathy F — August 14, 2016

  491. My husband and I are about to embark on our first exploration of the Carolinas, with an eye toward finding a retirement spot to escape the increasingly unpleasant winters around Boston.

    We will be staying in the Wilmington NC for a couple of days, then do a “stay and play” at Brunswick Forest. We have been fortunate enough to make contact with a realtor who specializes in retirement communities who is willing to show us around on even though it’s our first, very exploratory visit. So we hope to get a comprehensive first look at the area.

    Does anyone have any input on the Mayfair Village/Mayfair Commons area? If we don’t go with a 55+ type community, we probably want to gravitate toward an area with amenities and proximity to shops/dining etc.

    Also, on the flip side of the coin, does anyone have any experience with Davidson NC? We got intrigued by its proximity to Charlotte, it’s college connection, the gorgeous lake, and the fact that its billed as being “pedestrian and bike friendly”. Thoughts?

    So clearly we are all over the place still….

    by Judy H — September 7, 2016

  492. Hi Judy, my husband and I live in New York,(Long Island) and a little over three years ago we bought a house in Brunswick Forest. It is a beautiful community with loads of amenities we love it here. It is good to work with a realtor who can show you other communities in the area also. In 2013 when we bought there were 900 families, now The number is about 4500 which is spread out in the 4500 acre community.
    Mayfaire is a very nice shopping center they have condos and a very small area of private homes, not sure you would get the same community feel as Brunswick Forest.
    Traffic has increased by us on route 17, but they are adding extra lanes now so when that is finished that should help.
    Enjoy your trip!

    by Barbara — September 8, 2016

  493. Hi Judy H & Barbara!

    We moved here to Wilmington from the Washington DC area (Northern VA) as new retirees just over a year ago. We looked all over the area, including Brunswick Forest, and decided on the Wilmington side because we couldn’t picture having to navigate that bridge and downtown traffic when wanting to shop. I know a lot changes in a year around here so there are probably more stores and amenities on the Brunswick side now, making the trip less frequent. We weren’t interested in 55+ communities so I don’t have any input there. What you will find in Wilmington is more house for your $$, when compared to the Northeast, no matter where you settle.

    Mayfaire has nice shopping in a “town center” type arrangement with plenty of upscale stores, groceries and such in the area. We didn’t look at condos so I can’t comment on the Villages at Mayfaire except to say it looks pretty nice over there from the outside. There are plenty of other shopping areas in Wilmington as well, and you’ll find a Whole Foods, Trader Joe’s, Sam’s, Costco, all the big box stores and restaurants galore. The only thing missing for us is a Wegmans! 🙂

    There are lots of complaints about the traffic, but coming from the DC area we don’t find it so terrible. There are particular areas (College & Oleander, Market north of Military Cutoff) that commonly have small (to us) traffic jams, but good timing can avoid most of them.

    We love to travel and definitely miss being near hub airports. ILM is small, which is a good benefit in never being crowded and not having long lines, but service is limited to AA and Delta. So if you travel a lot, the only directs are to Atlanta, Charlotte and LGA, and with the resulting higher ticket price for most destinations. The Raleigh airport is about a 2 hour drive and offers a few more options.

    We moved here for better winters and not to be TOO far from our kids near DC. The 6 hour drive there is a little more that I’d like but I’m adjusting. It’s great being near the beaches, and while the summers are hotter, the winters are so much better!

    There are many, many retirees here who hail from New York/New Jersey/DC areas. I’ve been told there are a couple of really popular newcomer’s groups and my husband has found several clubs that support his hobbies. I’ve noticed a network of bike/walking trails and several nice parks but I wouldn’t call this city particularly walkable unless you are near one of those amenities.

    The downtown area is quaint and in transition. They do host lots of events and there are a number of local venues for cultural entertainment, both downtown and at the university.

    I’m not an expert but would be happy to answer questions about Wilmington from my perspective as a newbie transplant. 🙂

    Judy M

    by Judy M — September 9, 2016

  494. We are comparing three areas for our move – New Bern NC, Beaufort SC & Leland NC. What are your thoughts on these areas?

    by Carol — September 12, 2016

  495. Carol – we love Beaufort! A smaller version of Charleston – lovely historic downtown, quaint shops, wonderful restaurants, lots of waterfront activities and festivals. If you enjoy the beach, boating, kayaking etc., you would love it here! Many smallish communities to look at in the area – nothing resembling the Villages! There are disadvantages as there are everywhere – it’s an hour+ to major airports and shopping malls, Cotsco, airports; bugs like I never saw in New England (hello Terminex? Again!); and hot and humid summers – really only 8 weeks or so that are challenging for outdoor activities. We have friends that live in Leland, Brunswick Forest, and they love it there as well! Good luck!

    by SandyZ — September 13, 2016

  496. My wife and I are looking at the Anderson Creek Club community outside of Fayetteville NC. It is close to Ft. Bragg (we are both retired military so that is a BIG plus for us). On line it looks great and home prices aren’t bad. Does anyone have any information on it for us?

    by GregS — September 13, 2016

  497. Carol,

    We drove through New Bern and weren’t impressed. We never chose to really investigate.
    We looked at communities and homes in Leland but didn’t like the area.
    Re: Beaufort, we spent three days there looking at homes and communities. We’ve told each other after reading other’s experiences in Beaufort, SC “What did we miss?”. The downtown was unimpressive and the communities we liked were too far away from everything, shopping, restaurants, etc.That said, we’ve talked about going back.


    by Richard — September 13, 2016

  498. Carol, I would suggest that you extend your search from New Bern to Beaufort, NC. (That’s BO, not ByU as in SC.) Very nice town that shares many aspects of Beaufort, SC (somewhat remote) and without the “commonness” of New Bern.

    by Rich — September 13, 2016

  499. Hello, My wife and I are looking into moving to Morehead city,NC. And would like any information on this town and surrounding towns. Thank you

    by John — September 14, 2016

  500. Another town recently on our radar is Edenton, NC,sometimes described as part of the “Inner Banks”. We don’t know more about it than what you can find on this site.

    by Richard — September 14, 2016

  501. SandyZ, Thanks for the information on Beaufort SC. The eight weeks of hot and humid do not bother me as we have an abundance of snow in NY longer than that.

    by Carol — September 14, 2016

  502. I was wondering if anyone can tell me the differences on vehicle insurance, plates and taxes for North and South Carolina.

    by DeyErmand — September 15, 2016

  503. My stepson lives in SC and discovered something recently after an accident. They have something called shared fault there. Although the other driver pulled out in front of him and the other driver was tickets, my stepson found out that the other insurance company declared that he was 30% liable! He told the police that he was doing 62 in a 55 mph zone. His car was totaled, so he only is getting 70% of the value to replace.

    After looking more into this, I discovered that our state, Indiana, also has this law. Just something to be aware of.

    by LocoBill — September 15, 2016

  504. My sister has friends that relocated to Columbia, SC. I don’t know the particulars but they waited the better part of six months to see a medicare network doctor. Whether it was a shortage of medicare doctors or who they were willing to see, as I said I don’t know the details, but thought it provided food for thought when relocating. I was surprised to hear this considering it’s the state capital of SC.

    by Rosemary — September 15, 2016

  505. Was wondering if anyone had any information about The Cliffs communities in SC/NC? We are planning on visiting in a few days and would appreciate any tips/information that anyone has.

    by Peg — September 15, 2016

  506. So glad I stumbled upon this valuable source of information. My husband was laid off over three years ago. Despite three degrees, two of which are in engineering (bachelor’s in Civil Engineering, Masters in Structural Engineering) he has been unsuccessful in finding work. We live in southern New England and will be selling our home this spring to move to a more affordable area of the country. Naturally, SC and NC are on our radar or I’d not have found this forum! We’re considering the Clover, Rock Hill, Fort Mill area and will be visiting there the first week in October. We have friends who retired there from my home state of Ohio so they’ve been a great resource.

    We’ve been curious about the Summersville/Ladson/Goosecreek SC area but am concerned about the flooding they had back last October when so much of SC was impacted by floods. Any thoughts on the flooding issues? Housing prices are good but we can’t help but wonder how many had problems with the flooding.

    Neither my husband nor I are 65 yet so we’ll be continuing to self fund our healthcare unless a decent job with benefits presents itself, so we’ll be looking at homes in the $200-250k range. My research has shown me many builders with great floor plans and what appear to be nice areas but an earlier post indicated their advertised cost doesn’t always include the lot. Yikes! I need to contact some directly and ask.

    by Deb — September 15, 2016

  507. Deb – Re your second area of interest: stay away from houses or developments that are in flood zones (will be noted as such). If you buy in a track home development the price should include the lot. If you custom build than you will have to purchase the lot separately. A developer may tack on more to the cost of a newly built house if it is on a upgraded lot (one with a view). However, after a few years this cost will normally diminish to stay on par with what the others are selling for. I’ve no skin in the game but recommend contacting Carolina One as realtors because they list and sell a lot of homes in the area.

    by Alice — September 16, 2016

  508. Deb: We just moved to SC to Sun City Carolina Lakes in the Fort Mill area as you spoke of. We Love, love, love this area. Tons of shopping, restaurants, and close to Charlotte for theater and upscale shopping. There is even a light rail to take you into the city not far from here. Two hours to the beach, two hours to the mountains ( Ashville NC). Kids and grands are here so we relocated. Hope you find something in this wonderful area.

    by sunlovingal — September 16, 2016

  509. Sunlovinggal: I’m curious whether Sun City Carolina Lakes also charged an xtra facilities or “bond” fee of some kind? I’ve been looking at some other Sun Cities, and sometimes I see in the resale ads that “Bond has been paid”. Is there a fee like this? I haven’t noticed it anywhere else except in the Villages.

    by Kate — September 17, 2016

  510. It may have been explained by someone here, but at the risk of sounding ‘stupid’ what is a “bond” fee?

    by Sue M — September 18, 2016

  511. Sue: In some communities the homeowners purchase the amenities like the community center, pools etc. from the developer. The developer can set up a community so that the homeowners are committed to pay for the amenities through a bond or mortgage program, such as an extra assessment over a period of years. Each new homeowner can be hit with a one-time fee, annual payments, etc., depending on how it’s been set up I’ve heard that Del Webb/Sun City has a program like this, and I’ve spotted a few resales advertising “Bond paid.” I’m trying to figure out how it works, since this is a cost in addition to the HOA that I already factored into my budget planning. Their web sites don’t identify this assessment.

    by Kate — September 18, 2016

  512. Peg,
    The Cliffs are VERY expensive!

    by Ella — September 19, 2016

  513. Does anyone know anything about Pawleys Island South Carolina? A few people I know from Washington, DC have homes there. Thanks.

    Note from Admin: Comments about Pawleys Island have been moved to the Forum for further discussion


    by Jennifer — September 20, 2016

  514. Kate: We bought a resale and had no “bond” as you spoke of. There was an initial upfront payment of around $1,500 to the association, not included in our home payment. Not sure what it was called. It’s a one time only fee. Then our monthly fee of $197 which includes all ammenities which in Del Webb communities, are extensive, and all lawn services. We have a single home and find this very fair. Carolina Lakes in Fort Mill is a beautiful vibrant community. Best of Luck to you. !

    by sunlovingal — September 20, 2016

  515. Will be going to myrtle beach sc for a week in October by myself. Lived a rather sheltered life. How exactly do you research an area for retirement? Kind of nervous doing it alone. Thanks for any suggestions

    by Jeanne — September 22, 2016

  516. Jeanne: I’m throwing this out for your consideration. I, too, am wanting to go back to the Myrtle Beach area (lived there for 6.5 yrs) and would welcome company there and the ability to explore. Had wanted to get down there sooner rather than later, and, if you have an interest, I would be happy to supply my email address so that we can communicate. Up to you – just a thought. Kay

    by K L Fulford — September 23, 2016

  517. I’ve said this before and was shot down by a local, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say it again. In my humble opinion, if I were researching the Myrtle Beach area for retirement I would wait until summer to visit so I could see it in all its glory. I don’t know a ton of people who live there, but the few I do know say that from Memorial Day to Labor Day they alter their plans (errands, golf) due to the masses of tourists that descend each year. Now, I realize that you may be okay with tons of traffic, which is subjective anyway depending on what you’re used to. So please take this as it was meant — just a suggestion. (And it goes for many of the places mentioned over and over again — including the NC mountains and any of the SC and NC coastal areas.)

    by Alice — September 24, 2016

  518. Alice, I own a condo in Myrtle Beach and go there often at all times of the year. I don’t find the traffic bad enough to alter my plans. My only caveat is to go early when dining out because restaurants are very busy…..

    by Dick — September 24, 2016

  519. Well, like I said Dick, ‘traffic’ is subjective. But going in the summer has another advantage as well, such as experiencing first hand the summer heat. Personally, I have found the comments about there being a couple of months of uncomfortable heat in SC to be misleading. (I’m not sure if that was the amount of time exactly said). To me coastal SC feels like a sauna from March through October, and my sinuses agree although my husband does not. I suppose my point is if you are going to visit places you’re considering living, why not see them at their worst? That way you won’t be surprised and/or dismayed. Forgot to mention to the woman interested in Myrtle Beach, I would also check out Conway which is slightly to the west. There are a lot of 55 plus communities there with reasonable HOA fees. (which again is subjective)!

    by Alice — September 24, 2016

  520. Alice may I suggest you visit Easley, SC? It is very comfortable with a 36 comfort zone, even with about 3 inches of snow a year. I found the downtown very vibrant, and not so many tourist.

    by DeyErmand — September 25, 2016

  521. DeyErmand, What do you mean 36 comfort zone

    by Ron F — September 25, 2016

  522. The comfort zone of an area can be found on Sperling’s.com The higher the rating, the better the comfort. The Average USA comfort zone is 44.

    by DeyErmand — September 25, 2016

  523. Thanks for the suggestion DeyErmand, I will look into it.

    by Alice — September 25, 2016

  524. Just a note of correction.. The beach from Fort Mill is 3.5 hours away not 2 as stated.

    by Ron — September 26, 2016

  525. Hi, just getting back from myrtle beach area. Lots of new communities being developed within my price range (300,000) wonderful looking homes. What I have now come to realize is that the newer developments have llittle in the way of privacy landscaping. Some were said to back up to forest, but the front of homes all facing each other. So now I have to rethink and start looking at older communities with resale homes and established landscaping in a more wooded area. The amenities in some developments were great, but do I not want to be with the birds in my backyard? Great trip for an eyeopener

    by Jeanne — October 22, 2016

  526. To Deb re:Summerville area. That flooding in Oct was an unusual event – tons of rain too fast so drains couldn’t handle it; absolutely no issues during the recent hurricane and the area is NOT in a flood zone.

    I bought a resale at Del Webb there (but will be renting it out for a year or 2 til I can sell/ move from NY) because the area is beautiful, BOOMING, and affordable – e.g. r/e taxes <$1000 per yr. Volvo is putting their 1st US plant there, Boeing is expanding, they are adding 2 exits to I-26 in the area due to the current + projected growth, a new hospital and firehouse, etc. Also, it's ~25 miles to beaches and downtown Charleston.

    My r/e agent, Lindsey G at Carolina One (i found her via this very site!) was incredible – I didn't even have to go back down to sign papers or go to closing.

    Best of luck to you and let me know if I can help. (My email is lcarbonaro@aol.com)

    by Laura — October 24, 2016

  527. To Deb re Summerville: Agree with Laura’s comments and assessment. Having recently retired my husband and I have been searching for a place to land. Presently living in CT and looking to relocate to a warmer snowless climate. We had looked in both North and South Carolina. Resulting from questions submitted at one of the many search sites available we connected with a realtor on line (Linda Hunt), also from Carolina One and also FANTASTIC. We found a 55+ community which we really liked. It is a new one which just opened in July: Four Seasons at Lakes of Cane Bay (Hovnanian Developer). Being at a distance was a concern during the building process, but she is looking out for us when we can’t be there in person. So far we are very pleased with the information/communication with both realtor and builder as the process progresses. Targeting to move in Spring 2017 and are quite excited. As Laura said it is a booming area!! Happy to answer questions/chat further: belislem1@gmail.com

    by Mary — October 25, 2016

  528. Hi – Really appreciate all of the information from this website and its subscribers. My wife and I have been looking for a place to retire to for the last 3-4 years. Zeroed in on North Carolina about 2 years ago. We’re planning on building a small house south of Chapel Hill. I was hoping to get some thoughts about two related topics. We are trying to decide whether we should move to the area and try to get a short-term rental so we can be there while the house is being built. Or whether to stay in New England until the house is ready, with a few trips to the NC area when necessary. The builder is indifferent, either way. So we’re interested in the pros and cons of the short term rental, how easy is is to find a place for 3-4 months, and what are the issues around a double move: storage, etc. Thanks in advance.

    by Ray — November 11, 2016

  529. Dear Ray:
    Having lived all over the world….I can tell you that you want to be nearby when the house is being built. It is better for the builder to know that you will be checking in frequently to avoid mistakes, and just to stay on top of things. If you don’t care he won’t either but he will gladly take your money. Things like where electrical outlets should be placed, the color of the roof and the quality you expect from building materials….all of these things matter. Builders and their workers are the same all over the world be there and get to know them. I will make a world of difference.

    by Jennifer — November 12, 2016

  530. Hi Jennifer,
    Thank you for your comment. I’d like to be local for the build, but need to work out the details of the move, rentals, and storage issues. Thanks, Again

    by Ray Essington — November 12, 2016

  531. Ray, Chapel Hill is a college town and as such, short term rentals are fairly common. Sure some want a year or 9-month lease, but if you contact a local realtor you won’t have any problems. (Since I haven’t rented in Chapel Hill — and don’t forget Carrboro — for more than 40 years, I don’t know a realtor to suggest. But the internet is a great resource.)

    As for being nearby while you build, I strongly agree with Jennifer. But if you are a person who is happy to turn important aspects of your life over to others, I have known some who said, “just build it and let me know when I can move in”. In other words, you won’t care any more about your new house than the temporary apartment. In any case, be sure to check out your builder’s references. We moved temporarily just 3 miles away while building 25 years ago. But though I did checked his references, there were times that it was just plain fortunate that I was living nearby — and to this day I recommend him and he is still a friend. Not often people say that about their builder.

    by Rich — November 13, 2016

  532. Thanks, Rich. I was hoping this was the case, especially since we’d be looking for 3-4 months over the summer. Any advice on moving and storage issues?

    by Ray — November 14, 2016

  533. Ray: We have written a whole series on downsizing and moving. Here is one to start with – it contains links to the rest in the series. http://www.topretirements.com/blog/retirement-planning-2/a-tale-of-3-downsizings.html/

    by Admin — November 14, 2016

  534. Ray, you’ll find that 3-4 months over the summer is probably a “best” time for short-term. Students who signed up for a year lease (starting Aug-Sep) are leaving and looking for sub-lets beginning in May. That’s in addition to the typical short-term lease or rental. My one thought is the time you allow to build. While many (especially “sub-division” builders) will assure you of a 3-4 month build, many quality builders won’t guarantee that. My builder said to expect at least 9 months and the house actually took 10 1/2 half months to build — we had to extend our rental by 2 months (we sold the previous house and moved in Nov before out planned build start in Apr).

    As for moving and storage? Well, we haven’t moved for 25 years. Our last successful major move (no significant breakage or other problems) was 1989. That was with North American from No. Va. to Chapel Hill area. Cannot comment other than that. For storage, I expect you will have little problem — that appears to be a staple of the economy in this part of NC. :<) Partly to do with all the universities and partly to do with a highly mobile economy (major high tech opportunities in and near). So consider the option to store with your mover, or to rent large enough to store all your household (that's what we were able to do) and plan another local move when your house is ready. I will add that, from my perspective, there appears to be many reliable local movers who could handle that for probably $1 -$2K depending on the size of your household. (My 1992 move of 3 miles with a large household cost me about $900.)

    by Rich — November 14, 2016

  535. Hi: I’ve looked around NC, Asheville up to Boone and TN, Knoxville east to Johnson City/Bristol and am still looking for favorable retirement locations. I live in the heavily taxed, ultra liberal, and snowy Northeast. Next I want to explore SC, but do like a mountain, rural and even isolated area but with access to good medical care and the usual shopping when necessary! I don’t mind driving and we like being off by ourselves. (We are highly tolerant independent conservative people and the NE is not where I want to be in retirement. Didn’t want to make any political statement but there are some here, so political inclinations seem pertinent.) We are active, love hiking, biking, fishing, kayaking, etc and peace and quiet. Any suggestions?

    by Pam — December 22, 2016

  536. Q: Just read the article about NC vs SC and it noted updates but didn’t see any. We heard NC was going to start taxing SS in 2017, true? This would be a game changer for us.
    This question came in from Dian

    A: We are not aware of any NC plans to tax SS. But if anyone else has info on this please share. The information in this updated article appears to be up to date.

    by Admin — December 29, 2016

  537. Don’t know for sure but the only NC taxes I’ve seen doing anything are gas taxes rising and corporate income tax going down by 1%. haven’t seen anything else. Anybody else see anything I’ve missed?

    by jacci — December 30, 2016

  538. Visited Fort Mill SC in August and plan a return trip next April. Viewed many new construction communities and liked the Massey development the best with homes built by Ryan Homes. Does anyone have any information to share about the area, the builder, etc.?

    by Tom — December 30, 2016

  539. Pam: Might want to look at Travelers Rest, SC. Easy access to Greenville, SC as well as Hendersonville, NC. Plenty of outdoor activities nearby. Also near Furman University and their OLLI program.

    by kevin — December 31, 2016

  540. One way to find information about a town and state would be to go to the home page and find “Retirement Towns by State”. There you will find general info on the state and more specific info on the town and any communities you may be interested in. You can also check out the Forum under South Carolina and post any questions you may have. There is also a “search” box where you can enter Fort Mills SC for any additional information on the site.

    by Moderator Flo — December 31, 2016

  541. I have a Ft. Mill mailing address, although I live in a neighboring town (Indian Land). It’s definitely booming! Easy access to Charlotte. Gas prices are very low (I just paid around $1.969 when I filled up this week). Utilities and insurance seem about the same as I paid in PA, except that the water bill is a little higher. When I moved here, my realtor explained that there are two types of housing: slab, where all utilities are buried in the house’s concrete slab, making future repairs or renovations more difficult (her recommendation) or crawl-space (easy to access lines for repairs, but required more pest maintenance). Termite and annual bug treatments are recommended, but no stink bugs. Not all developments have natural gas, which is more cost-efficient than electric homes.

    Annual or biannual powerwashing of houses is done by many homeowners due to the potential for mildew growth. It costs about $350 or so depending on the size of the house. Winter is about 2 months long, and there’s potential for light snow that typically disappears in a day or two. Communities aren’t as equipped for snow or ice, so kids can get snow days for what we Northerners would view as dustings. Summers are very hot, but I found that I adjusted after a year or two. Spring can trigger huge quantites of pollen, as a warning to those with allergies.

    I have found that it’s difficult to find service people (for ex., I went through three landscapers in 1-1/2 years, when they just stopped showing up). There is so much new construction that I am speculating handymen/landscapers can find steady employment so easily that they don’t bother setting up their own businesses.

    When I was house shopping, I noticed many house listings would identify new roofs when the houses were only ten years old or so. The realtor explained that sometimes there are hail storms that can cause roof damage. In the three years that I’ve been here, there has been one hurricane warning for the Charlotte area, and one large hail storm where a few neighbors claimed to have some broken windows. (Interesting, my coworkers complain about outside parking putting their cars at risk of hail damage.) Overall, I think the weather is great!

    It’s possible to buy wine or beer in grocery stores or in liquor stores for very reasonable prices. There are lots of public libraries, movie theatres, etc. Politics can be very conservative the further you get from downtown Charlotte, which might drive liberals crazy during elections when the ads can be pretty aggressive. Many people’s social lives appear to revolve around church communities, and there are huge churches with demonimations I never heard of until I moved to Billy Graham country.

    For travel, you are about 3 hours from the beach (no major highway to cross the state though) and 2 hours from the mountains…3 hours to Hilton Head…40 minutes to the airport…I made it to the Port Canaveral Port for a cruise and can get back to PA in a day’s drive. Great location.

    The Charlotte daily newspaper isn’t much, but it’s better than nothing. International news tends to be buried inside and covered lightly (if at all). All of the major networks have local coverage on tv (Time Warner, Direct TV or Comporium are the cable providers, not Comcast). There is also a little Ft. Mill paper that I think is a weekly

    There are multiple grocery stores to choose from everywhere. I think it’s rare to be more than 5 miles from a grocery store. Harris Teater tends to be the upscale one, Publix or WalMart food stores in the middle, with Foodland at the other end of the spectrum – but everyone tends to find a favorite. All major retail chains are represented. You have all the benefits of living near a City (Charlotte is 2nd largest city in the SouthEast after Jacksonville) and we’re right over the border between the states. There are many active meetup.com groups.

    Real estate taxes are very low, and there is an additional credit for your primary home after you hit 65. There is a personal property tax on cars (I pay about $400/yr), but no annual inspection fee. I didn’t have to take a drivers test when I transferred my drivers’ license. I was told that if I lived over the border in NC my real estate taxes would have been about $2500 more, I’d pay an equivalent personal property tax on my car, and I’d have a car inspection in N.C. I’m still working, and I do pay another 1% or so state income tax in SC.

    Good medical care is easy to find. (I discovered that my doctor, dentist, etc. all relocated from Northern states!) It’s entertaining when you’re stuck in traffic to note all the license plates, sports teams stickers and other indicia that other drivers are also from other states. I meet very few people who actually were born here.

    Biggest negatives – I miss a really good daily newspaper. Housing prices are inching up, apparently recovering from a real estate crash during a banking crisis a few years ago. Rentals are everywhere, but they aren’t cheap. The traffic is horrendous – really, really bad. Did I say the traffic is bad? It’s only getting worse with all of the construction. New houses, huge apartment complexes and commercial developments are being built everywhere. I’m still working, so I’m forced to be on the roads with commuters. It will probably be a lot easier to shop, go to movies etc. when my schedule will be more flexible. Crime also appears to be pretty prevalent, but my impressions of that may come from our neighborhood watch Facebook page. We have a Sheriff’s Deputy who is very diligent about reporting break-ins and thefts in stores/homes within about a 30 mile radius. I noticed when I was house shopping that most homes had a security system. People are warned not to park in their driveways overnight, due to car break-ins. Or course, Charlotte recently had racial protests following a police shooting. I don’t think anything is out of the ordinary, but I had moved here from an area with extremely low crime rates.

    Whew. Moderator Flo – move both the question and response to one of the sites you suggested?

    by Kate . — December 31, 2016

  542. I’ll check in with Admin!!! Lol

    From Admin: If I understand the question, Kate’s wonderful post is in the right place since the article is about both Carolinas (and the Ft. Mill area is near the border of both States). Thanks for checking though.

    by Moderator Flo — December 31, 2016

  543. There is Forum topic on Ft Mill SC for those of you who are interested in posting questions there. http://www.topretirements.com/forum/t2299/Discuss_what_its_like_to_live_in__Fort_Mill.html

    by Moderator Flo — December 31, 2016

  544. Great article Kate! I have a terrible fear of snakes so would this area not be a good place for me? We will be traveling to different locations this spring doing our research.

    by Cathy W — January 1, 2017

  545. Cathy – I saw a snake in my yard 2 years ago from my kitchen window, but it rapidly went under a fence into adjoining woods. Neighbors told me it was a desireabke black snake that eats pests. Most people that I meet have never seen a snake. They’re here, like any other place – however, not frequent visitors in highly populated areas. I do see little geckos sometimes.

    We do have occasional coyote sightings, since there are still some undeveloped areas. It isn’t a good area to let cats or small dogs run free.

    by Kate — January 2, 2017

  546. Can anyone comment on ideological beliefs that may exist between the two states? Is one more conservative or liberal? Red or blue? Religiously oriented?

    by Staci — January 6, 2017

  547. Hi, I’m hoping my request is in the correct forum. Looking to move to an area about 1/2 hour west of Wilmington NC down to Myrtle Beach SC. My search is for a small cozy home on a few acres. Any suggestions for a town that may have something for me to consider?
    Thank you so much, Lizzie

    by Lizzie — January 26, 2017

  548. Hi Lizzie
    I would check out Southport NC area as well as some other small towns in Brunswick County NC. You may find something with some acreage in those areas.

    by Florence — January 27, 2017

  549. Staci, both states are generally conservative and are definitely in what is known as the “bible belt”. Both are “red”, but SC more definitively so — NC has flirted with “blue” over the years, but even back in the days of the “Southern democrat” you were talking about renamed conservatives. From my view, SC has moved toward a somewhat more progressive position, but also consider the the governor of SC has been chose by the President for his cabinet. NC had appeared to move somewhat left of center, but in recent years has slammed back toward the radical conservative right.

    In both states, rural areas are “typically” more conservative and (especially in NC) most urban cities are distinctly more progressive. It will depend on who you are and what you want. For the first time in the 55 years I have been in NC, I’ve recently found myself pondering the option to move to a more progressive environment — and I live near one of the most progressive enclaves in the state — Chapel Hill.

    by Rich — January 27, 2017

  550. Thanks to Kate for the thorough post.

    by Vickie — January 27, 2017

  551. I really think that political/’ideological leanings’ opinions should be avoided here. I enjoy reading the informed comments but some others are inappropriate IMHO and do not belong on this site. I’ve lived all over the country, yet I would not offer a political assessment of any community or state I’ve lived in. Besides, no one person is an expert. There’s plenty of political information available via other sources. Just my view.

    by Marsha — January 28, 2017

  552. Marsha, I disagree. It is important to know the “political leanings” of any area you are considering. You might like the physical area but find out that the politics are not what you believe. I live on the coast of NC and many people from the Northeast have moved here and try to change the area to be like where they moved from. It isn’t going to happen.

    by Dick — January 28, 2017

  553. I live on the coast of SC and it is happening.

    by Debra — January 29, 2017

  554. Does anyone know about the status of the new Del Webb 55+ community that is being built in Nexton, SC? Also the status of the new exit off I-26 being built in Nexton? Thanks.

    by Ed — January 29, 2017

  555. Debra
    Just wondering what is happening?

    by Staci — January 29, 2017

  556. Discussing political leanings is offensive to some. Those people can just skip those posts. I agree with Dick. I’m seeking to move to an area where I fit in politically, and if this forum didn’t offer those commentaries I would be greatly disappointed. For those interested in sleuthing these details about a state or community, I’ve had terrific success just googling “Florida red blue election results” (Florida was just a geographical area picked at random here). So much is available online these days. I’ve even put in county names and been able to view red/blue maps of all the precincts in that county. For those interested, try it.

    by Kevin — January 29, 2017

  557. One of the many reasons I love living in Southern California: LIVE AND LET LIVE!!!

    by Bubbajog — January 29, 2017

  558. What about tolerance? We don’t seem to have any trouble finding things in common with just about everyone, regardless of their political leanings. Just avoid the touchy topics. There are still so many other interesting things to discuss. It used to be called maturity.

    by Caps — January 29, 2017

  559. Hello Debra: How are you?

    One of the retirement locations I am considering is coastal SC. Possibly Bluffton, Beaufort area.
    Do you live in that area? Just wonder if you are from there originally. At this point in life a retirement move means leaving lots of friends behind.. Wonder if you moved to coastal SC as a retiree…and was it easy to make new friends?

    by Roberta — January 30, 2017

  560. I moved to Beaufort as a retiree. It is an amazingly friendly area, as well as beautiful. I think it is the
    friendliest place I have ever lived.

    by Debra — January 31, 2017

  561. Debra, we are looking at that area also. If you didn’t move to an active adult, are you able to still make friends and find activities, health club/gyms, etc.? Newcomers kinds of clubs? Have you gotten used to summers? Lots of sunshine? Access to a real beach with ocean waves? Thanks for your time.

    by Carol Dugan — January 31, 2017

  562. There are lots of activities and it is easy to get involved. The summers don’t bother me, but I’m not working in the yard or dog walking in the middle of the day. Hunting Island is about 30 minutes away but is closed due to Matthew. SandyZ could answer some of these questions also. I guess everyone’s experience is unique but I have been here a little over two years and it feels like home.

    by Debra — February 1, 2017

  563. Carol Dugan – we have lived in the Beaufort area just over a year. We do live in a gated community, and have not yet involved ourselves in clubs and activities in town. But there are many! Friendly people, great weather, and the tax climate is terrific – both local property taxes and state income taxes are very favorable for retirees once you reach age 65. Summer is quite warm, but the beach at Hunting Island and our community pools help with relief. We are hoping for the beach to be open by Memorial Day. One negative – remoteness, if you love big malls and a major airport. Those urban advantages are about an hour away in Savannah to the South and Charleston a little over an hour to the North. Just my perspective….Hi Debra! So glad you settled in and love it here as well! We really should meet for coffee!

    by SandyZ — February 1, 2017

  564. SandyZ was out your way for dinner at Sweetgrass a couple of weeks ago. We still need volunteers for Beaufort International Film Festival! I agree Beaufort is somewhat remote, but when I go to Charleston or Savannah I’m glad I don’t live there. Carol Dugan I have found myself not much interested in the beach. The marshes have amazed me. During nesting season I spend way too much time in the Wetlands, the egrets. Herons, and alligators enthrall me. Beaufort is going to be a major player in Reconstruction tourism.
    President Obama made Penn Center and several other areas national monuments the week before he left office. SandyZ I am at Penn the 2nd Friday each month with 2nd Helpings, stop by.

    by Debra — February 2, 2017

  565. Hi Debra, Where exactly do you live? I would love to be among the marshes with all the birds and wildlife. Having a difficult time zeroing in on area. North and South Carolina intriques me but again, need help in choosing areas to look at. Talked to real estate agents but they don,t seem to hear me that I want the outdoors. They show me what they have in their inventory which I appreciate, but don’t have alot of time and money to invest in exploring. It sounds like you are in an area I would like to check out. Thanks

    by jeanne gowe — February 2, 2017

  566. Ed, I would be extremely cautious about buying into Nexton if I were you. First, Nexton sits right next to the Interstate — an excellent choice if you commuted up to say Columbia; but to retire to? Second, I haven’t heard any news of an Interstate exit being built for Nexton. There’s really no need because there’s already one there. I have heard that one is being considered to feed into Cane Bay (where there is already a Del Webb). But there’s always talk of roads being built and not so much as a pot hole ever gets filled. Third, Nexton sits on the ‘wrong side of the tracks’ as far as Summerville goes. It was originally just wasteland. Nothing was growing there, there is no natural beauty whatsoever. Lastly, if they end up building everything they say they are going to (always debatable) it means that for the next several years you will be living in a construction zone. This is just my opinion and of course you need to see it for yourself.

    by Alice — February 5, 2017

  567. Alice, I was out that way looking at the part of Summerville north of 26 and I thought all they need is massive planting of trees to make it attractive. Carnes Crossing is out there and the homes are truly spectacular, but it did not appear they intend to get lots of trees started. Fools!

    by Barbara — February 6, 2017

  568. I enjoy reading the ideas of everyone here. Thanks so much for your input. I was wondering though if anyone has good info on NC vs SC vs GA. We are from south FL and want to get away from the heat and high humidity that is almost year round.

    by Virginia — February 7, 2017

  569. Ed and Alice,

    The exit is already under construction and will have access to Cane Bay and Nexton as eventually Nexton Blvd will be connected to Cane Bay Blvd. The road across from Cane Bay Blvd has been opened but does not yet connect to Nexton Blvd. and yes we are going to have a lot of construction for quite some time but this will provide us with a hospital, medical and other business offices, shops and more restaurants. We love living in DEL WEBB Cane Bay.

    by Kathy — February 8, 2017

  570. DH and I flew down to Dalton GA from Dayton TN on Saturday, so we didn’t get much of the “driving ” perspective, yet we were surprisingly impressed with what we saw. We didn’t see any neighborhoods with some of the “run down ” homes that we had to get used to seeing in TN.
    We drove around the city and thought that the public areas were well cared for. (Not much for water views though. ) Just my 2 cents……

    by Caps — February 8, 2017

  571. Hi: Trying to decide where I want to be…like the rest of you 🙂

    Does anyone know anything about St. Mary’s GA? Anyone in St. Helena, SC?

    by Roberta — February 9, 2017

  572. Alice & Kathy,
    Thanks for your responses, it is appreciated.
    First, the fact that it’s close to the interstate, so long as I don’t hear the traffic, is not an issue and would be convenient on trips down to Charleston. Kathy thanks for the update on the construction of the exit.
    Alice, not sure what you mean by a “wasteland.” If you mean it’s void of trees, that’s fine by me. After 25+ years of having to rake leaves, constantly having to pick up dead branches and worrying that the next major storm will topple one of our trees on my roof, looking forward to not having these concerns. The only trees I want are palm trees! Finally your comment about living in a construction zone is a good point. It’s something we’ll have to consider. But Kathy makes a valid point in that all this construction will result in a hospital/medical offices (important factor for retirees) and shops/restaurants.

    by Ed — February 9, 2017

  573. Hi Roberta,
    St. Helena’s Island, if that’s what you’re referring to, is just outside of Beaufort SC. Most of your shopping and activities would take place there. There are many planned communities in the general area. St Mary’s is a small town that has recently experienced some growth due to the development of retirement and planned communities. I would check out both Beaufort and St. Mary’s under the States Guide for more info. You can also do a search and look for articles about both. You can post specific questions on the forum.
    Hope this helps!!

    by Moderator Flo — February 9, 2017

  574. Roberta – there are MANY sea islands in the Beaufort area. St. Helena is a larger one and actually encompasses lots of other smaller islands : Distant Island, Cat Island, Gibbs Island, Dataw Island etc. Although I live on Dataw Island, the only Post Office for us is St. Helena Island, so that is our mailing address! I think there are 50+ islands in the SC Lowcountry. All are quiet, historic, and a short drive, or boat ride (like Dafauskie Island) from the small towns along the shore, such as Beaufort, or Bluffton. Google SC Lowcountry Sea Islands and you will find many sites, many with videos to get to know this area. Of course, the best way is to come visit, stay in a B+B, take the carriage ride in Beaufort, spend a day in Old Town Bluffton, another day biking on Hilton Head – you will love the area, whether or not you decide to pursue it any further as a possible future home.

    by SandyZ — February 10, 2017

  575. I have spent all evening reading all the comments from Topretirements topic on NC or SC to Retire.

    Like many of us, we are a few years from retiring, band are intrigued about the Carolinas being the place based upon climate.

    I am not political at all, but we just want to find a safe, welcoming place to live. We are not the kind of couple that needs to be around people like us (two married females). We currently live in OH in a 4 bedroom / 3 bathroom house with a four-car garage, on close to 2 acres with our Cocker Spaniel. We love our neighbors and are very proud of our small, well cared for subdivision.

    We will want to down size our home. Based upon a neighbors recommendation to look at Greenville, SC, we have been researching property on Zillow. We are planning a trip to the Carolinas this spring and are wondering what communities we should visit. Right now I am thinking about Greenville, Spartanburg, and Rock Hill.

    I do not want to get into any debate about the LGBT community, just looking for a place to retire where people will welcome us.


    by Kathy — February 11, 2017

  576. Kathy: Good luck to you in your search. It sounds like Greenville might be a good choice for you, definitely spend some time there to check it out. Take a look at Jeff Alden’s “My Southern Retirement Adventure“, , it will give you a good idea about Greenville, where he retired.

    by Admin — February 12, 2017

  577. Kathy, I have lived in upstate SC for 30+ years; grew up in triangle area of NC. There are pockets of ‘welcome’ in SC, but with the current political climate, please consider what the legislative representatives have to say, as the people who elect them have no problem with their views on LGBT ‘equality’. Trey Gowdy, Representative 4th District SC (Greenville) compared same sex marriage to incest (2011). He was just re-elected. Though it didn’t get a chance to pass this year, State Senator Lee Bright (Spartanburg) sponsored a transgender bill (similar to NC HB2). There’s a lot to love about the natural beauty beauty of SC and it is inexpensive compared to other areas, but pay attention to the whole picture.

    by Kay — February 14, 2017

  578. Kathy, if you don’t find the flatlands to your liking, come on up to Waynesville(28 miles west of Asheville). Be happy to welcome ya’ll to our little neck of the woods. Relatively new arrivals ourselves, so might not be up to speed totally on the “politics” but the views are impressive and we’re always open to good conversation and a glass of wine! Good luck with your search.

    by Doc Stickel — February 14, 2017

  579. Sandy Z…….Thank you! Have not been down to take a look as yet…but was looking at a few listings on Dataw.
    Question: Is the whole island one resort development: Dataw ?
    Do you live there through summer , and if so…….do you find the heat oppressive? I live it Atlanta…..gets pretty hot here as well…but since I have spent a lot of time on the ocean……seems like the heat is more bearable if you have that ocean breeze.

    Is club membership mandatory for all those on Dataw?

    I am a single lady, so trying to get one of my friends to come down with me and take a look.

    Much thanks for getting back to me!


    by Roberta — February 14, 2017

  580. Hello again Roberta – I will try to clarify living on Dataw…although there are many lovely gated communities in the area. Some more expensive, some less. Yes, the whole island is one gated community. Yes, you must belong to the club and pay monthly dues to enjoy the clubhouse, fitness center, pool, etc. We do live here year round but plan most of our traveling in the summer so we end up gone during 6-8 weeks of the summer. Hope that helps!

    by SandyZ — February 15, 2017

  581. Kathy, your thoughts are well appreciated. You have two comments here suggesting consideration of NC. There are many (to me even more than SC) areas that are quite similar to the environs of Greenville, SC. While you may not want to participate in the political debate for issues like HB2 (affecting LGBT), be aware that while the current legislature is very right wing oriented, the issue and the legislative composition is and has been under active debate. Concerns (clearly those of both sides) are being addressed. What is currently unknown (as with the nation as a whole) is where these contentious issues will lead us.

    by Rich — February 15, 2017

  582. Don
    We spent a week in the area of Waynesville a year ago and liked the area very much. Where did you relocate from and have you found the area to your liking? Do you have pro and cons that you can share?


    by Virginia — February 16, 2017

  583. SandyZ
    My wife and I are looking at your general area for our retirement. It looks like you are having a warmer than normal winter. Has this been a trend in the last few years.

    by LeeS — February 17, 2017

  584. Virginia, I didn’t see a “Don” here so I”LL take the question. Both my wife and I are former New Jersey refugees. We departed 6 years ago when I reached 62. Always loved the Greater Blue Ridge area, and our first move was to Wytheville, VA. Spent five years there, and for a variety of reasons pushed a bit further south to Waynesville. Why did we move? I did fine in Wytheville. We were most definitely in a rural setting, more cows than neighbors-more farm tractors than cars, things like that. Wytheville is a very small town, in the throes of trying to revitalize, like some many other towns. It is not quite there yet. Most inhabitants have very deep roots, and go back generations. I found this heritage fascinating, and embraced it. My wife, being the quintessential “Jersey girl” while gamely trying- never quite assimilated. Waynesville, still being a mountain town, is vastly different. More of a melting pot, not quite as “economically challenged”, has a vibrant and thriving town center. This provides, of course, provides more opportunities for socializing, better restaurant scene, etc all. So…..The wife is VERY happy. Estactic, even. I like the library, on rainy, cold days, and even that scene is twice the size of Wytheville. The populations are roughly comparable, at approx 10,000- but it is a completely different vibe. One of my considerations was: where is my wife better suited when, statistics say( she is 8 years younger) she will be on her own? Waynesville was an obvious choice for us. Still mountains, still south of that mason-dixon, close to Asheville, we are quite happy with the move. We are 10 miles out of town, so-as I look out the window I see horses and cows, but close enough. Those are some of the positives. Hmmm… Negatives? Well, don’t come down here looking for full time work unless you’re a Doctor, or can “telecommute”, and…..Property costs. Real estate ain’t exactly cheap. That said, worthy of consideration, I’LL say! Hope that is helpful. My advice, as I always mention-is worth exactly what you paid for it! Happy hunting.

    by Doc Stickel — February 17, 2017

  585. Lee S. – this is only our second winter in the Beaufort area so I can’t say if it is a trend or not. Others tell us it is warmer than normal. We rarely wear long pants or coats! Mostly 60’s and 70’s – with a few scattered days in 40’s or 50’s. very pleasant!

    by SandyZ — February 17, 2017

  586. Don I was addressing question to you but also welcomed any responses! Im so very glad you took the challenge!
    My husband is a disabled vet and visited the VA in Asheville and while we were there and was very impressed with the facility. This is a very important factor for us. Thsnk you so much for the insight that you gave. It is do bery difficult to pick up and move let slone wondering if yor decision as to where is the right one.
    Im glad that your wife is happy with the area. It seems like a great area to be!

    by Virginia — February 18, 2017

  587. I’d welcome any thoughts by folks here on the advantages/disadvantages of Waynesville vs. Hendersonville — including public schools, medical care, real estate prices, and culture. Thanks in advance.

    by DavidF — February 19, 2017

  588. Virginia, you are correct. Relocation is a big decision. Hard to know if proper decisions are being made without the wisdom of hindsight. As I told my wife, while not easy-we could always move again. Although we feel Waynesville is a good fit.( For us). Speaking of the VA, I have involved myself in volunteer transport for the VA. There is a VA Van based here in Waynesville. You might have to check on whether or not your husband would qualify for this service. Through my activities with the van, I have spoken with a number of vets who have attested to the good reputation of the Asheville facility. Good news. Again, I wish you well with your research, and if other questions arise, I’ll try to assist!

    by Doc Stickel — February 19, 2017

  589. DavidF,

    We were considering both Waynesville and Hendersonville. On our visit this past September, we spent time in each town, and they both have their good points. What sealed the decision for me, was the downtown. Waynesville’s downtown is nice, but Hendersonville’s blew me away. Very pedestrian friendly, lots of places to sit, great shops and restaurants, an awesome bakery, and they’ve done a great job with plantings, etc to make it an incredibly attractive area. The other plus is that it doesn’t have a very busy main road going through it like Waynesville.

    Houses are probably a bit cheaper in Waynesville, but I don’t think the difference is significant. The other consideration for me is that Waynesville in generally at a bit higher elevation, and a bit further north. As someone who is looking to escape the winter as much as possible (without totally melting in the summer), there should be less snow in Hendersonville. For the past 30+ years, we’ve been in northern Vermont or far northern Maine (Caribou). WNC offers the right mix of moderate summer temps with mild winter temps. We know there will be a bit of snow, but it’s a fleeting visitor.

    On the outskirts of Hendersonville, along Rt 64 and 176, you’ll find most of the big box stores you’ll need. Anything that isn’t in Hendersonville is a quick ride away in Asheville. With I-26 running through town, you have easy access to Spartanburg and the coast.

    We’re still 6 years away from being able to move down there, but I’m greatly looking forward to it.

    by Chuck — February 20, 2017

  590. Chuck — Your comments were very, very helpful. Thank you!

    by DavidF — February 20, 2017

  591. David, I wouldn’t presume to be an authority on Waynesville, since we’ve been here a grand total of 4 months. And I am certainly not in a position to compare/contrast with Hendersonville. I might suggest the “city data forum” which I found to be informative. Once on the site, type in North Carolina, then go to Western North Carolina. There are numerous discussions on the comparison you are inquiring about. Many points Chuck mentions seem to be accurate. We selected Waynesville precisely for the downtown area AND the increased elevation. We wanted to be at or near 2500 to 3000 feet. I’m not it sure what Chuck meant by the reference to a busy main road. Main Street, perhaps? Don’t know that I,d call that a problem. What does seem to be very busy( with frequent traffic problems) is the I 26 corridor between Hendersonville and Asheville. I\’d rather take my chances on I40 by us. Real estate doesn’t seem to be much of a bargain in either location, also. Good luck with your research!

    by Doc Stickel — February 20, 2017

  592. Doc: My thanks to you as well for some more very helpful insights!

    FWIW, we’re considering a location in the Asheville area (Asheville itself, Waynesville, or Hendersonville). We’re also planning a trip in April to look at Athens, GA; Traveler’s Rest, SC (very close to Greenville, which we like very much — especially the downtown — but which may be a bit too expensive for us, with some new downtown condos there going for nearly $1 million!); and Davidson, NC. Many of these locations are close to or include a college or university, which we believe would be a welcome addition for us.

    BTW, we were caught in afternoon rush hour traffic when driving from Asheville to Hendersonville last year. It wasn’t pretty.

    by DavidF — February 20, 2017

  593. Yes, Doc, with 276 (Main St) running through Waynesville, it’s a lot busier than Main St in Hendersonville, because the heavily trafficked roads are on the outskirts of downtown Hendersonville.

    I-26 is likely busier than I-40, but if you need to go to Asheville, you could always take the more scenic, and less traveled 191. It takes a bit longer, but at busy times would be a lot less stressful.

    As for real estate, it depends on where you’re coming from. House prices seem to be pretty comparable to what they are around here in Vermont (in the greater Burlington area), but the property taxes are much, much lower. We pay about $7000 in property taxes for our 2000 sq ft house. A similar house down in Waynesville or Hendersonville would have property taxes of $1,000-2,500, depending on location.

    by Chuck — February 21, 2017

  594. Doc, thanks so very much for passing on information and your willingness to chat! We are so interested in the NW Carolina area. That is the place we usually gravitate to when we can.
    When we are able to relocate we will be looking for rental property. I’m sure there will be something to find.


    by Virginia — February 21, 2017

  595. I am considering retiring to Ashville and will be in Asheville for 5 days in May. Any advice as to what to look at while I’m there? Any realtor recommendations? Thanks.

    by Martin — February 21, 2017

  596. Beverly Hanks for a good realtor and also check out Hendersonville which is about 20 miles from Asheville. Much more bang for the buck.

    by bob payton — February 22, 2017

  597. Bob, talking about bang for your buck how about that relate with renting. Also, do you have any idea how Hendersonville relates with Waynesville?

    by Virginia — February 22, 2017

  598. Martin,
    I regret having to write this, and don’t want to list any names, but do not use a realtor whose initials are BB. So bad you would not even believe all the bad experiences within a two day period. Suffice to say, he texted, while driving my husband and me, in his truck. One of so many bad qualities!

    by ella — February 22, 2017

  599. North Carolina is not a tax friendly state especially for seniors !

    by Ron — February 22, 2017

  600. Martin,
    I recommend Greg Walker with Beverly Hanks. He was a speaker at a retirement seminar I attended in Asheville. He’s familiar with it and the surrounding area.

    by Tessa — February 22, 2017

  601. virginia, Waynesville vs Hendersonville. My opinion is that Hendersonville has a far superior walkable downtown complete with neat stores and plenty of good to great restaurants. I would say housing is similar although Waynesville is more mountainous. Not sure of the arts but Hendersonville has The Flat Rock Playhouse (2 locations) with great “off broadway” type hits.

    by bob payton — February 23, 2017

  602. Ron, could you clarify the statement about NC not being tax friendly for seniors.
    Thank you

    by Diane — February 23, 2017

  603. Does anyone have ideas about Baxter Village in Fort Mill SC as retirement choice for seniors?

    by Linda — May 13, 2017

  604. Everybody is worried NC or SC, well let me tell you about Newyork. If this state could figure out a way to charge you for breathing air, they tax that to. Expensive, understatement. It a way to rob you. At this point SC looks like my retirement move. Not trying to be sarcastic but people who live here understand what I’m talking.

    by Johnny V — May 20, 2017

  605. Hi:
    We are looking for future retirement areas. I grew up on Long Island, NY; now reside in Vermont. It is too expensive to consider retiring here. Plus, we have grown tired of winter. My outdoor activities are more spring & summer. So where to go? I have friends in both states. I am looking at Beaufort and the Conway areas of SC; and Wilmington and some of the other Coastal areas of NC. We want to be close to the coast. Leaning towards NC, but Beaufort area looks nice as well. Love history, festivals, live music, peace & quiet. I am a cyclist too. Would love to hear from any NE transplants and get any helpful information. Thank you.

    by Mike M — July 6, 2017

  606. I think this is the first time I’ve read through all the posts here. What information!

    Debra and SandyZ – I’m heading to Port Royal for a few days this month and am then renting from October – December. I’m hoping I love it enough to want to stay. I’ve been moving around for 2 years now, looking for my retirement spot. I’m ready to land somewhere!

    Johnny V – I left NY 2 years ago and hear ya about the expense of living there!!!

    And for those of you in the western NC mountains….is it EVER sunny in the mornings?? It’s been foggy every morning for over two weeks, since I’ve been here.

    by Judy — July 7, 2017

  607. Mike M, I’m a transplant from long ago, but now would never consider returning to NE winters (or anywhere close!). Many fear NC/SC hurricanes. For most it’s not much of an issue except for the 10 year storm. But in searching for a new home near the coast, be aware that annually heavy hurricane rains and coastal flooding can cause major, recurring issues. Be careful and research in depth any property that is within the coastal plane. Flooding is the true major hurricane concern. An extreme example is Princeville, NC.

    Judy, YES! The norm is bright crystal clear mornings. :<) While it is true that those mountains with the right weather conditions can trap and hold the clouds down around you for long periods (and two weeks IS a LONG period), that is NOT the normal condition. It also depends on where in the mountains you are — southern areas (such as the Great Smokies) can be more prone to frequent rain/clouds (though not often constant). After all, those clinging clouds are what gave the Smokies their name.

    by Rich — July 7, 2017

  608. Diane,

    While tax change NC has almost higher tax in every category. Gasoline $.20 high per gallon, sales tax varies by county, many areas have city tax and other form of tax.
    NC senior tax discounts are not a good as SC. These may change area by area but those areas around where I live (Greater Charlotte) most move to SC then commute to NC for work as I did when I moved here. Nothing has changed that I am aware of

    by Ron — July 7, 2017

  609. I you can, rent in whichever place you chose before buying. We are in SC now and renting. Like it buy are still taking short trips to other states that are more tax friendly. Neither SC nor NC are really good with taxes other than property taxes and who know if that will change. The massive amount of building going on all over is going to add more strain to the roads which are already inadequate in many areas.

    by jean — July 7, 2017

  610. We moved from Connecticut to northeastern North Carolina going on three years. I’m still working but the retirement clock is ticking with less than two years left. My sister was visiting from New England was impressed that gas was only $1.99 a gallon and the relatively affordable cost of homes on the waterfront.

    The X factor for us has been the local residents. Warm, friendly and welcoming. This year I’ve spent time in downtown Chicago, LA and Manhatten. Returning home to a slower lifestyle with less traffic is appealing. We do live on the waterfront and did incur damage to our bulkhead and roof during hurricane Matthew last year. The increased cost of wind and flood insurance is the price we pay for breathtaking sunrises. Life is full of choices and trade offs. Again, once I’m retired, I might feel differently about the cost of living, taxes, etc but right now we are really enjoying the area.

    by Art — July 8, 2017

  611. Every time someone states that it is more expensive to live in NC than in SC or any other southern state, dollars and cents figures are NEVER given. Would you buy (almost) anything without knowing the cost? Would you shop in a store that gives the cost of items as higher or lower than others?

    Without actual numbers, these are concepts only. I’m living in NE TN and have found food more expensive than in NY (1 1/2 hours north of NYC). Houses are no less expensive IF you want a nice home. Sales tax is higher (9.75%) and food is taxed (it is not in NY). Property taxes are low.
    Yet everyone warns me not to think about NC or VA because they have property taxes. Yes, that may add up if you have more than two cars; but with just two cars it’s next to nothing.

    I agree with Art. Don’t be scared away from an area that attracts you. It’s hard enough to find the right place!

    by ella — July 8, 2017

  612. I don’t think you should expect other people to crunch your numbers for you. If you want to drill down to specifics, do your own research. Most people (including myself) are just giving a very general opinion about places I’m familiar with. Furthermore, why let a bunch of … hopefully well-meaning … strangers on the Internet determine where you live?

    by Alice — July 8, 2017

  613. I moved the last few comments that strayed away from the Dueling Carolinas to another Blog that discusses Florida, Texas, and Tennessee, among other states –
    10 Very Retirement-Friendly States for Retirement: They Want You There!

    by Jane at Topretirements — July 14, 2017

  614. Wondering about Rock Hill, SC? We would really like the Ft. Mill area but the home inventory is low.
    I read about areas of RH are not desirable yet other areas are great.
    We are 55+ and looking for homes around $220,000 or less and also would like the restaurants, shopping, homes on larger lots (not 1000 homes in a neighborhood).
    Any area suggestions for RH? Found a home in Greenfield but know nothing about the neighborhood.
    Cindy F

    by Cindy F — July 15, 2017

  615. My niece and her family moved to Rock Hill over 10 years ago. They moved to a small, very old neighborhood with older mostly brick homes that surround an active city park. Be aware that it’s always a growing ‘burb of Charlotte and traffic late in the day can come to a standstill. Also, we looked at a new community, RiverWalk, right on the Catawba River. We found a floorplan that we fell in love with but aren’t ready to move yet. Additionally, there is a new 55+ community there from Del Web, Carolina Lakes, that is selling like crazy. There’s great healthcare there, a university and Lake Wylie. Rock Hill close to Charlotte and close enough to Greenville, Columbia and the NC beaches and mountains.
    The drawbacks for us are traffic and the lack of walkable communities. I don’t think it’s any different than Ft Mill and the boundaries of these towns are very blurred.

    by Imelda Hill — July 15, 2017

  616. Cindy and Imelda:
    You will find Del Webb 55+ homes in Rock Hill or Fort Mill areas to be well above your $220k budget. We were ready to buy at Carolina Lakes in 2015 but found that Del Webb (Pulte) has serious quality issues for homes built in recent years. Residents will tell you that soil preparations under many foundations, streets and drainage systems have led to serious infrastructure issues now that the developer gone. Resale homes are still selling there, but just be careful and do your research.

    by Ronald — July 16, 2017

  617. Thank you Ronald and Imemda-
    The 55+ communities are all above what we are looking for. With fees (monthly and/or quarterly) they just aren’t for us.
    We are now looking at older brick ranch homes in Rock Hill and York. Some upgraded already complete and we are willing to put some money into a home but also being careful not to price ourselves out of the neighborhood.
    Ideas? Areas in Rock Hill, York, to look at or avoid?
    Am I missing an area I should be looking at?
    Thank so much

    by Cindy Friedeberg — July 17, 2017

  618. Cindy,
    There are many nice areas in York County! Prices ranges from very reasonable to extremely pricey. We live in Clover which is located in Western York! Love the area. Rock Hill is about 25 miles Southwest and also has some nice communities. Look at zillow and other sites to find the demographics on the cities.

    by ron — July 17, 2017

  619. So, here I am in Port Royal, SC, outside of Beaufort. I think I may like this area. Met a guy this morning who is encouraging me to look at Sun City in Bluffton, so I will. As a single person, the idea of buying into a community with amenities/clubs/etc. is a little less scary than buying in to a neighborhood where I don’t know a soul and would likely have to work harder at meeting people.

    Anyone have experience with Sun City in Bluffton?

    by Judy — July 25, 2017

  620. My husband & I are thinking of relocating from North Florida where we have lived 50 years to the Raleigh, NC area. Has anyone from Florida moved to NC & if so what were the difficult adjustments that you needed to make?

    by Cathy W — July 26, 2017

  621. Judy – I have looked at models there and have another visit planned in a month or two, to meet with a realtor and Del Webb. Meanwhile I am reading on line newspapers to get a feel for Bluffton and Sun City life. Between Sun City, the Haven and next year’s Margaritavile’s 3,000+ homes in Hardeevikke, this area will be overwhelmed with retirees! I am not sure about the whole 55+ community concept, but I hope to decide on my next visit. One question I have to answer is the cost of flood insurance, which I have read is a necessity. I also need more info on the additional fees that Del Webb imposes on property transfers, the costs associated with golf carts (registration, insurance, maintenance) and the availability of lawn services and cleaning ladies…some of the things that I don’t want to live without (imagine an eye rolling emoji lol). I want to browse the local grocery and Walmart too. I need more info about maintaining stucco, and the status of the class action against Del Webb for problems with stucco on homes in the community. I am still fact-finding, but this location is on my list of finalists. The residents I met during my prior visits said they enjoyed living there.

    by Kate — July 26, 2017

  622. Kate – thanks for your response. I had a tour today with one of the residents. It is impressive, if huge. Honestly, I don’t know if I can see myself in a place like that. My concerns are similar to yours – with all the fees and add-ons and flood insurance, on top of the mortgage, I’m not sure it’s affordable. I also don’t like being completely outside of the ‘real feel’ of the area. Beaufort and Port Royal are old, covered with live oaks. and I love that. Sun City is extremely manicured. And did I mention big? 90 miles of roads, I’m told, are in the community. Alas, although it was informational, I’m not sure I’m any closer to a decision.

    If you care to, please email me to discuss further. I would be interested. jreeseny@yahoo.com


    by Judy — July 26, 2017

  623. Hey Cathy W, I have a friend who moved to the Raleigh area in January from the Oakland Fl (Orlando area). I would be happy to send you their contact info as I am sure he would be glad to share. My email is huntley61@gmail.com. Mike and Ingrid, so far love it here. I personally have lived in NC all my life and in the Raleigh area since ’84. Honestly, ok, I may be biased, it doesn’t get any better than this! Arts, food, sports, beach 1.5 hrs, mountains 3 hrs, diversity of culture, people, international travel, education (Life Long Learning Centers), the list goes on 🙂

    Be glad to help with more info if you would like.

    by Huntley cuthrell — July 26, 2017

  624. Judy – did you look at some of the neighborhoods and communities in the Beaufort area? We also looked in the HHI area after vacationing there for 25 years, but the traffic turned us off. 278 has almost daily accidents and I cringe at the thought of the massive addition of travelers from Margarittaville added to the same and only highway from 95 to the island. On the plus side, all of the decent grocery stores and shops are in the Bluffton, HHI area. We chose Beaufort, – quieter, less traffic, historic vs. touristy, and we shop locally and our farmers market or Amazon, with the occasional run to Bluffton or Charleston. We love Port Royal too – Street Music on Saturday nights and coffee at Pluff Mud, climbing the tower at the Sands beach – and golf carts on the roads – very fun spot! Enjoy your search!

    by SandyZ — July 27, 2017

  625. Does anyone have any comments or experiences about the adult communities of NJ? Specifically
    the ones towards South (Ocean and Monmouth County…)
    Thank you!

    by Maria — July 27, 2017

  626. My question is simple… why move from NC where property is more reasonably priced, taxes are less, and services are at least adequate? I’m looking to retire from CT and many arrows point to TN, NC and SC. For me, FL is not an option, (too many business there in July!) I know it all depends on what you’re looking for, but isn’t Raleigh all that and then some? Other than friends, up here in CT I think I’ll miss quick access to NYC and its venues more than anything else.

    by FrankJ — July 27, 2017

  627. SandyZ – YES…I think the Beaufort area is for me. I, too, was turned off by the traffic in the Bluffton area. Both days I went there, there was terrible traffic due to accidents. One was really bad, traffic had to be rerouted, etc. I know it’s going to get worse and the area is growing way too fast for my tastes.

    I will be contacting a realtor next week to start the search. Port Royal is my first choice, but I’m a little nervous about the potential development happening there, so will only consider one section of town. I’m not sure which areas of Beaufort to consider…I don’t know the neighborhoods well at this point. Do you have any suggestions?

    Are you the woman who is on Dataw Island? I’m looking for a place actually in town. The idea of riding my bike to get places is very enticing.

    I can’t WAIT to be a turtle-watch volunteer!

    I would love to be in touch. This is my email addy: jreeseny@yahoo.com.


    by Judy — July 27, 2017

  628. Judy – I will contact you via email…Debra from Beaufort, are you still reading this blog? Debra moved here at the same time that I did and she might be more helpful about neighborhoods in town. We do live at Dataw – it is about 5 miles from town out towards Hunting Island – I am a beach bum, and we do drive into town. If Debra reads this, perhaps she will contact you too!

    by SandyZ — July 28, 2017

  629. Any transplants in Lincolnton, NC?
    We are looking at a home there.

    by Cindy Friedeberg — July 28, 2017

  630. Hi Maria,
    If you go to the topretirements.com website, you’ll see a link for finding retirement towns by state. New Jersey has many retirement communities in the southern portion of the state listed. If you use the Retirement Ranger, you can type in the areas and amenities you’re interested in. I know there are blogs here about south jersey retirement. Try using the search bar to locate them. Happy Hunting !!

    by Moderator Flo — July 28, 2017

  631. Hey SandyZ I will email Judy.

    by Debra — July 28, 2017

  632. I am looking at retiring next year and am interested in either outside of Raleigh or Charlotte. I have a teenage daughter so good school systems are extremely important to me. If I don’t find the house that I am looking for I will probably by land and build. Any thoughts on which area is better? Also, I like to travel so having a good international airport with a good choice of airlines is important.

    by Janice — July 31, 2017

  633. Janice, I you are happy with the school your daughter is in now it might be best to stay where you are until she graduates and relocate then. Transitioning to a new school and depending on where you are moving from, a new culture, can be traumatic to a teen no matter how fine the school. A friend of mine moved a teenaged daughter after her freshman or sophmore year and the girl was miserable, almost suicidal. They ended up moving back, but only after spending months working with the school couselors and even therapy.

    by Jean — August 1, 2017

  634. Hey Janice, I live in Raleigh and have for years, I may be biased but the Triangle NC is a great place to be and live. If I can help provide info for you, you are welcome to send me a list of your questions, my email is huntley61@gmail.com. I can forward you links to just about any questions. Public and private schools are very good here.

    by Huntley cuthrell — August 2, 2017

  635. I am 58, single, and planning to retire soon. I am building a home in Lennar’s Tree Tops active adult community in Lancaster, SC (near Del Webb’s Carolina Lakes). I will also be keeping my home in Wisconsin (at least that’s my plan for now). Any information anyone would share about taxes, restaurants, weather, things you enjoy or would change would be helpful to me as I prepare for this new adventure. Also recommendations for good bible teaching, nondenominational churches, or bible studies. I have done my homework, but there is nothing like being able to hear other’s impressions, experiences, and thoughts. I also have a friend who is considering renting an apartment in that same area, so I would appreciate any recommendations in that area as well – looking to spend approx. $1000/month, a one bedroom which is safe and well kept. Any information or insights would be greatly appreciated.

    by patti — August 3, 2017

  636. To Judy and Kate, I am headed to look at the sun city area in about a week, I want golf, golf cart drivable from home. I have a realtor I’m meeting with. I’m looking to relocate from So. Cal. I would be interested in any resources about costs that might not be evident/readily known. I’ve heard about fees related to hurricane cleanup, didn’t know about flood insurance. What else do I not know? I am also thinking about Skiddaway Island, any knowledge? Thanks

    by Sherwin — August 3, 2017

  637. judy:I am a northern girl by birth…moved to Atlanta bout 40 years ago….looking to get out of Atlanta …too busy….good for young people looking for opportunities…not good for retirement.

    I visited Raleigh some years ago…wondering what it was that everyone saw in Raleigh. I was not attracted to the area…thought it was disappointingly unattractive.

    You may like Dataw…if it is affordable to you. Savannnah seems to be wrought with crime these days……many people moving out of Savannah to places like St. Mary’s etc.

    Perhaps I just did not see the great parts of Raleigh…was there for a meeting…but I saw nothing impressive at all….not an expert, of course.

    by Roberta Bengtson — August 7, 2017

  638. Sherwin and Patti – you will see lots of new construction when you visit! A new shopping center that will be 1/2 the size of the nearest large mall has been announced and is doing site development within about 3 miles of Sun City and Treetops, which will have a Petco, Hobby Shop, TJ Maxx and other stores (possibly another Walmart too). There is also another new mall coming in about 8 mikes north on 521, which will have a multiplex theatre. Lots of convenience — but also there is more and more traffic. I can’t recommend any apartments (it appeared to me when I moved here that apt rentals were more expensive than owning!!). You will see the library between Sun City and Treetops, which is nice and convenient. Sherwin – I have found the personal property tax on vehicles not to be too bad, and was amazed not to have an annual car inspection in SC! Sales tax is charged on more items than I was used to in PA, but gas is certainly cheap (paid about $1.98 gal last week with a car wash at EXXON). My water bill is a little higher, and some services can run higher (although I am sure compared to CA you will find everything is a bargain) but overall my insurance, cable and electric bills have not offered any surprises. Security systems seem to be the norm here (about $65 month). The Charlotte newspaper disappoints me, if you are a newspaper junkie like I am. One surprise was that fine dining is definitely very expensive – Charlotte takes dining out very seriously. You will enjoy the food at the Vine diner right over the border in Ballantine.

    by Kate — August 8, 2017

  639. Hi,
    I have been reading the most recent posts and have some questions. My husband and I are about 7-10 years from retirement. We are looking at both NC and SC as possible retirement locations. We plan on taking a few trips down to both states before making any decisions and are looking for information on communities to visit. We visited Myrtle Beach and it’s not for me. We like golf, the beach, good health care close by (major medical center) and lastly we want a nice downtown area; one with quaint shops, restaurants and movies. Any suggestions where to begin??

    Cathy 🙂

    by Cathy — September 17, 2017

  640. Cathy, A lot can change in an area in 7 to 10 years so keep taking vacations in NC and SC and plan on renting for a while once you retire. When my husband and I started looking I used the store locations page on the Whole Foods Market website to find potential places to retire letting that company vet potential locations for us 🙂 We visited lots of great towns and cities and added Georgia to the states we were considering. When we finally did make the move, we ended up taking a year lease in a newer, furnished house in a 55+ community in the one place I never thought we would move – Myrtle Beach. The main reason is that since we couldnt decide, we thought it would be easier to contue our search being in the area and we both like to golf. Another reason is that I liked the idea of being amongst a lot of transplants to sort of ease the culture shock. We take short trips every few weeks to explore the southeast and enjoy all the golf and great state parks here in the Grand Strand in between.

    by Jean — September 18, 2017

  641. Cathy,

    You are setting out on an exciting venture. A few location to consider, Asheville, NC, Hendersonville, NC and Greenville, SC. I did a similar search in the last three to four years and ended up building a home in Asheville. I relocated from NYC and experiment the mountain life in Upstate NY ( to me, it was too remote and too far from immediate health care if needed ) so was looking for a city with the attributes you described. Each of these offers those things and each has a vibe of its own, so would suggest you include them in what can become a very long list.

    by John — September 18, 2017

  642. Does anyone know about the flooding issues in Magnolia Greens Plantation in Leland NC?

    by Carol S — September 18, 2017

  643. Cathy
    Go South of Myrtle beach to Pawleys Island area and you’ll find all these things you find important

    by Ron — September 18, 2017

  644. Hi Cathy
    Not long ago I posted an article of my trip to NC and SC. It covered small towns and 55+ communities along the coasts. If you go to “Search”on the drop down menu on the Topretirement.com website and type in “NC, SC, and Flo, articles on NC and SC will appear. You can also use the Advanced Search to find what you’re looking for in a retirement home.
    Hope this helps!!

    by Moderator Flo — September 18, 2017

  645. Carol S, I live in Leland 5 min away from Magnolia Greens in Brunswick Forest. We have not had any flooding in either communities. Both communities share a social network and it would be on there if there was any flooding. Leland is growing fast with many new communities. They widened route 17 which helped with traffic, and Nov a connector for I-40 will open which will help even more. I love this area so close to Wilmington makes it great!

    by Barbara — September 19, 2017

  646. Barbara, The reason I asked is a news article I came across when we were touring homes in the area. http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20170203/leland-seeks-solution-for-magnolia-greens-flooding-issue
    We really love the area.

    by Carol S — September 20, 2017

  647. I was not aware of that issue back in February. You should look in Brunswick Forest there has been no issues with flooding, the retention ponds flow from one to the next. When this community was built the developer focused on the infrastructure.

    by Barbara — September 21, 2017

  648. Flo, I read your review on North Carolina some time back and had a comment on your visit to Southport. Southport is a sweet little town with cute shops and plenty of places for dining out at different price points. You mentioned that Southport is golf cart friendly. While that might be legally correct, I think driving a golf cart in Southport in the summer would be pretty dangerous. Southport is very busy in the summer months.
    I’m not sure if you went over to Oak Island (only a few miles away) but it’s a wonderful laid back, family and dog friendly beach town. One of the things I love most about that area is that you have the beach town of Oak Island and the small town southern feel of Southport so close together. It seems that many retirees are moving into this area.

    by Jan — September 22, 2017

  649. I’ve been reading these posts for well over a year now and I’m getting closer to the retirement stage. My wife and I visited Fort Mill, SC over a year ago and liked a development called Massey. Can anyone update me as to its current progress? Are homes still being built and purchased? Is it essentially a good neighborhood? I researched the schools and they seem to be above average. Are they building more retail in the area and what about the traffic? Thanks for any input.

    by Tom — September 27, 2017

  650. Diane sent in this question:

    Has anyone moved to Calabash, nc? If so, how do you like it? Which communities are you familiar with?
    by Diane Petilli — November 2, 2017 | 

    by Admin — November 2, 2017

  651. Diane, I don’t live in Calabash but in Wilmington which is about 50 minutes away. To me, Calabash is in the middle of nowhere. Not a lot to offer…..I guess you could shop in Little River or North Myrtle Beach but I don’t know what your needs are. Obviously some people like it.

    by Dick — November 3, 2017

  652. I am currently in Beaufort, South Carolina, for the winter. There are many things I like about it but I’m not yet convinced it’s my final stopping place. The one place I regret I haven’t checked out is Wilmington, North Carolina. Is there anyone that has been to both of these places and can compare them? A concern I have about Wilmington is that it is too big and growing and sprawling. But since I have never been there I might just be making that up. I am more interested in living in a neighborhood then I am in a planned community at this point. Any opinions? Thank you.

    by Judith R — November 4, 2017

  653. Judith R, It really depends on what you’re looking for. Wilmington is definitely growing quickly, and there can be traffic issues (as there are almost everywhere it seems). Along with the growth there’s a lot of convenience. There are also a lot of retirees here and many neighborhoods to choose from. We moved to Wilmington two years ago from the hectic Washington DC area and it’s definitely less hectic here, and doesn’t seem too big to me. However, we’ve seen overall home prices increase quite a bit in that time even as new homes are being built at a speedy pace. Having only driven through Beaufort a few years ago the comparison I would make is that Beaufort seemed more quaint and quiet. I think it’s entirely personal, based on what you want and need.

    by JudyM — November 4, 2017

  654. Judith R, I agree with you about preferring to live in a neighborhood than a planned community! We are currently in the Myrtle Beach area in a very nice development ( renting) and dont plan to stay here for that reason. As for towns with neighborhoods, have you looked at Mt Pleasant or Greenville in SC?

    by Jean — November 4, 2017

  655. Jean and JudyM – thanks for your responses. I’m thinking that what I want is unrealistic and doesn’t exist: many choices of things to do without a lot of traffic and busy-ness! It’s one or the other, most likely. The Beaufort area is beautiful and I probably need to give it more time. This area is growing, too, and the traffic issues seem to stem from the fact that there is water everywhere and only a few bridges for all the traffic to use.

    Jean – I want to stay coastal, so Greenville isn’t a consideration. I haven’t heard of Mt. Pleasant so will look into it.

    by Judith R — November 5, 2017

  656. Judith R, Mt pleasant is just north of Charleston. And if you go there, continue north on 17 ( about an hour or so) and visit Georgetown, esp the river front ( which is right on the coast). Great, quiet little downtown with restaurants and in the nice weather frequent outdoor concerts. The history dates back to before the Revolutionary war and there are still many old houses just off the main street.

    by Jean — November 6, 2017

  657. Judith R,

    I don’t know what price range you’re looking at, but Mt.Pleasant is pretty pricey. Our realtor said that it’s because young families want to live there because of the excellent school system. We checked it out, but we decided we did not want to begin looking at homes starting in the low-mid $400s (or higher) that needed updating!

    by Fionna — November 6, 2017

  658. Fionna – did you look at Summerville?

    by Dian — November 6, 2017

  659. Dian — Yes, it turns out we decided to build in Summerville at Cresswind. A bit out of the way, but lovely surroundings. Community is built on an old rice plantation with much conservancy area, a lake and ponds. Need to travel several miles to supermarkets, Walmart, etc. Traffic can be congested so one learns alternate routes and best times of the day to shop.

    by Fionna — November 7, 2017

  660. Fiona – too funny – that was my husband’s favorite place. My only problem is wanting to be closer to downtown and the beach. Very nice there though.

    by Dian — November 7, 2017

  661. Fiona & Dian
    Yes Georgetown is nice but don’t fly through McClellanville or Awendaw. Living within Mt Pleasant… well it’s a sellers market that’s for sure. If you want to be close put Cainhoy and Wando in your searches as well as Charleston and Daniel Island.. These areas overlap each other to some degree. Also we have beaches true enough but you might enjoy living by a river and many communities offer docks reserved for the residents. The entire area is growing with Boeing and Volvo here.

    We’ve opted to leave as we prefer more isolation and with age have become less heat intolerant. No family to hold us and no fondness for beaches. A great place to raise our child, lots to do, fabulous restaurants and food scene. We hope to be in the mountains by late spring, early summer.

    by C — November 7, 2017

  662. * less heat tolerant….. It was 85 here yesterday, felt great !

    by C — November 8, 2017

  663. I’ve seen some beautiful tourism magazine ads for Summerville, SC. I always wanted to visit there until I read in August, 2016, in response to the Zika virus, Dorchester County did an aerial spraying of a pesticide called Naled which killed millions of honeybees.
    Mosquito spraying is a necessary fact of life in the South. No matter where you decide to live, if this is something that you’re sensitive to or concerned about, do some research before buying.

    by Jan — November 8, 2017

  664. I live in Wilmington NC and no, mosquito spraying is not a way of life here. In my 27 years here, they have never had to spray so generalities about any area of the country are not always true.

    by Dick — November 9, 2017

  665. Please accept my apologies for the generalization. I also hope that my post didn’t suggest that all areas that do mosquito spraying use aerial spraying, some use truck spraying. Dick, you might find it interesting to look at your county website to see their mosquito control methods.

    by Jan — November 9, 2017

  666. Re: Spraying in Dorchester County,SC

    Sounds like some uninformed individual(s) were trigger happy. Guess it’s up to the community to try to change things, esp. when it involves the health of individuals and the environment.

    by Fionns — November 10, 2017

  667. Many of the negative comments on here seem to indicate that folks are looking for reasons not to relocate. “I can’t tolerate: heat, humidity, bugs, snakes, spraying for bugs, people with different world views than mine, or the objection of your choice” seem like excuses not to take action. Maybe a better strategy would be to look at how you can stay where you are comfortable. If you live in a high tax state, explore ways to mitigate the impact. if you don’t like cold weather, maybe snowbird. There is no perfect place.

    by Sandie Warwick — November 11, 2017

  668. Sandie, not sure where you live but I live in CT and yes, bugs, snakes, heat, humidty, valley fever concern me and these are matters we have to weigh upon moving. We have to ask ourselves if we can adapt or do we want to. Yes, we have to reevaluate staying put where we are if we feel we can’t adapt. It is all part of the process of deciding where to move or if we should move. If we stay put, then we may have to downsize. I don’t think people are looking for reasons not to relocate, they are taking time to analyze an expensive life changing decision. I have a cousin in TN who had some icy weather last winter and she said she couldn’t leave the house for 3 days. Of course, living in New England with our tons of snow and ice I had to laugh. However, they are not used to it and don’t even have sand trucks or plow trucks. If they were to move to New England, they would be horrified. Some people who relocated don’t take the time to learn about the area they are moving to and experience cultural shock. They think every place in the USA is the same and it isn’t. It is true, there is no perfect place.

    by Louise — November 12, 2017

  669. Sandie,
    I don’t agree, necessarily, with your comment. I can’t tolerate: heat, humidity, bugs, snakes, or spraying for bugs and that’s why i’m now living in NE Tennessee, having moved from NYS. As for world view, i am conservative in my values, i am more comfortable here than i would be in the NE or the West Coast. As Louise stated, there’s nothing wrong with looking for what you want and finding a relatively compatible place. As far as perfection,is concerned, we agree – there ain’t none, Compromises must be part of any choice.

    by ella — November 12, 2017

  670. Ella – sounds like you’v found Nirvana! I have thr same list (no bugs, humidity etc) but also want water close by. Where are you? And anyone reading know how to locate areas with high cancer incidents to stay away from?

    by Dian — November 13, 2017

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